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« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2008, 02:14:32 PM »
I don't know how this thread was resurected, but...  I still feel that there has got to be a better way to balance sides. The current CAP/ENY system has become a constant source of angst (to me)... Last week, I had the choice of ENY 26 in one arena and being outnumbered 3-2 in the other (by one "country" not both). Either choice was a recipe for a less than stellar gaming experience. I thought about switching countries, but as a loyal Bishop, I just couldn't "pull the trigger" on a side switch.

I respectfully submit that if the CAPs were country based [where you can not log in to an arena where your country has a greated than 10% numerical advantage] rather than what we use now, both the side balancing and ENY issues could be a thing of the past
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« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2008, 03:51:52 PM »
I don't know how this thread was resurected, but...  I still feel that there has got to be a better way to balance sides. The current CAP/ENY system has become a constant source of angst (to me)... Last week, I had the choice of ENY 26 in one arena and being outnumbered 3-2 in the other (by one "country" not both). Either choice was a recipe for a less than stellar gaming experience. I thought about switching countries, but as a loyal Bishop, I just couldn't "pull the trigger" on a side switch.

I respectfully submit that if the CAPs were country based [where you can not log in to an arena where your country has a greated than 10% numerical advantage] rather than what we use now, both the side balancing and ENY issues could be a thing of the past

Well start that squirrel running on the wheel in your head and come up with a new idea ! There very well may be a better way to do it, but of the hundreds of ideas so far, nothing is even close.

...oh and by being "a loyal Bishop" YOU  ....not the caps.... have cut yourself out of two thirds of the other areas to play in the MAs. Your loss, as well as YOU being the one that adds to your own frustration.

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« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2008, 04:35:30 PM »
HTC have never found a good balance after the late war arena was split.  :cry



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« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2008, 10:36:10 PM »
600 people on Titanic Tuesday this week.

I'm trying to find a mon-thurs day that has that many in any other single arena, but I can't.

Maybe someone should look at the desire for one big fight than several smaller, artifically limited ones...
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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2008, 12:10:33 AM »
PUT IT BACK TO ONE MAP! AND ONE SERVER!



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« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2008, 02:50:03 AM »
Well start that squirrel running on the wheel in your head and come up with a new idea ! There very well may be a better way to do it, but of the hundreds of ideas so far, nothing is even close.

...oh and by being "a loyal Bishop" YOU  ....not the caps.... have cut yourself out of two thirds of the other areas to play in the MAs. Your loss, as well as YOU being the one that adds to your own frustration.

Thats the canned response to any suggestion a squad/person might be loyal to a country, at least come up with something original.

Why don't you realise that for whatever reason that country loyalty is important to some squads/people?
Most squads try all three countries, and for one or more reasons feel at home/comfortable with a certain one.
Until you grasp this elementary fact you'll never understand.

Haven't been on for a while but sounds like nothing has changed from when I was a daily 'flyer'.
Caps and ENY fluctuate wildly, both of which were predicted when the arena caps were brought in. (Due to people hopping between servers).
Sounds like it was frustrating then, and just as frustrating now.
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« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2008, 07:40:29 AM »
Thats the canned response to any suggestion a squad/person might be loyal to a country, at least come up with something original.

Why don't you realise that for whatever reason that country loyalty is important to some squads/people?
Most squads try all three countries, and for one or more reasons feel at home/comfortable with a certain one.
Until you grasp this elementary fact you'll never understand.

Haven't been on for a while but sounds like nothing has changed from when I was a daily 'flyer'.
Caps and ENY fluctuate wildly, both of which were predicted when the arena caps were brought in. (Due to people hopping between servers).
Sounds like it was frustrating then, and just as frustrating now.


ummmmm lets see if I "grasp this elementary fact" When I first started in Aces I was Bishop for over two years and in one squad. After I left I flew knights a bit and rooks a bit. While flying Knights I got invited to a rooks squad which I joined. I have flown with this squad for almost 2 years, and mostly as a rook. Do I understand "loyalty" I think I might. Do I switch sides, you bet! I have a lot of friends who still fly as bishop and I hop over there to wing up with them sometimes, or if I can find a good fight, I'll switch.

On the other hand, this is a game, the idea is to have fun. Why would you limit your options to have fun? Maybe my response is a "canned response", but did you even consider that the reason you see that response so much that it might be the right answer?  You said you havn't been flying for a while, maybe due to the frustration brought about by your narrow mindedness forcing you to stick to one "side". I on the other hand still fly as often as I can, and I'm still pretty much having a good time.....still get really ticked off when I get cherry picked, but that another story   :D

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« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2008, 02:10:43 PM »
Fugitive,
   I like to fly with my squadmates, and we have agreed that we are a Bishop squad. I have, on occasion, gone over to the Knights and Rooks to wing up with an opponent, but have never fought against the Bishops. I like to fly with the guys in Bishland. If loyalty to ones friends is a bad thing in your world then I am indeed a BAD person in the Fugitive universe.

   Instead of debating the merits of my proposal, you chose to rip me because of loyalty toward the group I prefer to fly with... Have you no shame sir?
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« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2008, 04:36:04 PM »
I agree with MajIssue on this post.

In particular the Saturday morning splits.  150 in orange, 75 in blue, and the caps in orange won't let you in.  I can see the point, I guess, that the arena's need to be split.  I think there should be a bottom number though, the example above is rediculous.  I mean, perhaps when the arena gets to 300 or something, maybe then the splits can occur.

Another aggravation is the huge STALEMATE maps.  They only last a week, because titanic tuesday resets.  You can't really win a map anymore, not with caps and the week it lasts.  It is hardly worth the bother really to play for captures anymore.

The game is pretty fun to go up and furball for a while I guess.  The strategic fun of maps is completly lost now though imo.

Dunno, been playing about 7 years now...finding it a bit boring as of late. 

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« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2008, 05:04:38 PM »
caps are crap..they are one step forward two steps back.......I know Hitech knows more than I ..well just about everybody knows more than me (villiage Idiott)......Question has anyone noticed that Tuesdays have more or less bad gameplay then the other nights? You will have to define "gameplay" yourself..because I have never understood this universal construct.
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« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2008, 05:25:53 PM »
Referred to as terrible tuesdays around here. TONIGHT WE HAVE A PLAN...............
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« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2008, 01:56:17 AM »
ummmmm lets see if I "grasp this elementary fact" When I first started in Aces I was Bishop for over two years and in one squad. After I left I flew knights a bit and rooks a bit. While flying Knights I got invited to a rooks squad which I joined. I have flown with this squad for almost 2 years, and mostly as a rook. Do I understand "loyalty" I think I might. Do I switch sides, you bet! I have a lot of friends who still fly as bishop and I hop over there to wing up with them sometimes, or if I can find a good fight, I'll switch.

On the other hand, this is a game, the idea is to have fun. Why would you limit your options to have fun? Maybe my response is a "canned response", but did you even consider that the reason you see that response so much that it might be the right answer?  You said you havn't been flying for a while, maybe due to the frustration brought about by your narrow mindedness forcing you to stick to one "side". I on the other hand still fly as often as I can, and I'm still pretty much having a good time.....still get really ticked off when I get cherry picked, but that another story   :D

Wasn't my narrow mindedness at all.

Each country has it's own distinct feel (played all three), and I think like minded players tend to stay with the country they feel most comfortable with.

As for the right answer - We will have to disagree. I have seen nothing on the forums that show it is any different now from when it was one big arena without caps.

Same old posts about hoards (although smaller, proportionatly about the same), same old posts about ganging, same old posts about running, same old posts about cherry picking. ONLY difference is it now happens across multiple arenas instead of one. Plus now you get posts about arena caps.

So if the one main arena was split because it was so unhealthy, what happens now there are multiple unhealthy arenas? Split them again? Lets go all the way and have 100's of arenas with a cap of 3, 1 for each country! Oops can't do that what if 2 gang up on one.

If anything the caps have caused more problems that they solved.
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« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2008, 06:24:41 AM »
 If you can't enjoy AH for what it is and not how it should or shouldn't be played then your probably right in giving it up.

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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2008, 07:07:20 AM »
Fugitive,
   I like to fly with my squadmates, and we have agreed that we are a Bishop squad. I have, on occasion, gone over to the Knights and Rooks to wing up with an opponent, but have never fought against the Bishops. I like to fly with the guys in Bishland. If loyalty to ones friends is a bad thing in your world then I am indeed a BAD person in the Fugitive universe.

   Instead of debating the merits of my proposal, you chose to rip me because of loyalty toward the group I prefer to fly with... Have you no shame sir?

LOL !!! Its a game !! you mean to tell me you have never fought anyone in your squad? I'm not the best cartoon pilot in the world (but I do have fun trying to be), but after flying aginst my CO Twinboom a number of times I think I have gotten much better. Not to mention running into Delirious, CorkyJr or a number of other "HeadHunters". I enjoy flying with them, as well as against them, its always fun (except for the occasional cherry picks grrrr). So by being "loyal to ones friends" means not fighting them and having some fun, ya I'm much happier in my universe. I didn't try to "rip you", I just pointed out a few facts. Its the truth you have a problem with, not me.

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In particular the Saturday morning splits.  150 in orange, 75 in blue, and the caps in orange won't let you in.  I can see the point, I guess, that the arena's need to be split.  I think there should be a bottom number though, the example above is rediculous.  I mean, perhaps when the arena gets to 300 or something, maybe then the splits can occur.


agreed, morning US time is a problem, but where would you draw the line? Use the above numbers you can't log in to orange, and blue only has 75 people. Say they make a hard cap of 225, and you log in at the same time with the same population. That means that you can't get into orange because it has hit its hard cap and now you get to fly in blue by yourself untill other log in. Yup, that sounds like a lot more fun than the way they have it now doesn't it?  SO far, the way they have it set up is the best anyone has come up with. Is it perfect? nope, there will always be someone complaining about it.

Wasn't my narrow mindedness at all.

Each country has it's own distinct feel (played all three), and I think like minded players tend to stay with the country they feel most comfortable with.

As for the right answer - We will have to disagree. I have seen nothing on the forums that show it is any different now from when it was one big arena without caps.

Same old posts about hoards (although smaller, proportionatly about the same), same old posts about ganging, same old posts about running, same old posts about cherry picking. ONLY difference is it now happens across multiple arenas instead of one. Plus now you get posts about arena caps.

So if the one main arena was split because it was so unhealthy, what happens now there are multiple unhealthy arenas? Split them again? Lets go all the way and have 100's of arenas with a cap of 3, 1 for each country! Oops can't do that what if 2 gang up on one.

If anything the caps have caused more problems that they solved.


I agree with you on most of these, yes some people feel more comfortable on one team or another, but switching for an hour or two just to have some fun isn't going to stop the world from turning.

Ya maybe the arenas are still "unhealthy", but I think they are better, and its much easier to find a fight now a days than it was of the big hordes.

The only way to know for sure if splitting the arenas was good or not is to take a look at HTC subscription numbers. During the single arena days they were loosing bunches of people, and now a days he has bunches coming in, sounds like its fixed to me.

Ya I miss the old days where the single main arena had only a couple hundred people flying, there were missions that were put together that used strategy instead of brute force, furballs developed once or twice a night and people didn't grief them, Mindanao was the preferred map ...unless you were in the lower left...  Things change, either you change with them, or you can sit in the corner and complain about what isn't right any more, or you can change with them. Me, life is too short to waste it pissin and moaning, I just have to continue having fun with what we have.
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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2008, 08:04:33 AM »
LOL !!! Its a game !! you mean to tell me you have never fought anyone in your squad? I'm not the best cartoon pilot in the world (but I do have fun trying to be), but after flying aginst my CO Twinboom a number of times I think I have gotten much better. Not to mention running into Delirious, CorkyJr or a number of other "HeadHunters". I enjoy flying with them, as well as against them, its always fun (except for the occasional cherry picks grrrr). So by being "loyal to ones friends" means not fighting them and having some fun, ya I'm much happier in my universe. I didn't try to "rip you", I just pointed out a few facts. Its the truth you have a problem with, not me.

agreed, morning US time is a problem, but where would you draw the line? Use the above numbers you can't log in to orange, and blue only has 75 people. Say they make a hard cap of 225, and you log in at the same time with the same population. That means that you can't get into orange because it has hit its hard cap and now you get to fly in blue by yourself untill other log in. Yup, that sounds like a lot more fun than the way they have it now doesn't it?  SO far, the way they have it set up is the best anyone has come up with. Is it perfect? nope, there will always be someone complaining about it.

I agree with you on most of these, yes some people feel more comfortable on one team or another, but switching for an hour or two just to have some fun isn't going to stop the world from turning.

Ya maybe the arenas are still "unhealthy", but I think they are better, and its much easier to find a fight now a days than it was of the big hordes.

The only way to know for sure if splitting the arenas was good or not is to take a look at HTC subscription numbers. During the single arena days they were loosing bunches of people, and now a days he has bunches coming in, sounds like its fixed to me.

Ya I miss the old days where the single main arena had only a couple hundred people flying, there were missions that were put together that used strategy instead of brute force, furballs developed once or twice a night and people didn't grief them, Mindanao was the preferred map ...unless you were in the lower left...  Things change, either you change with them, or you can sit in the corner and complain about what isn't right any more, or you can change with them. Me, life is too short to waste it pissin and moaning, I just have to continue having fun with what we have.

Funny thing is I miss the hoard!
Nothing more satisfying than a handfull of you stopping a huge incoming raid. OK fine you died a lot, didn't matter, the fun was in stopping them.
When I first joined I flew Knit, the bish were infamous for there mass Tiffy raids, never happens anymore.
Dunno, I think there a hell of a lot been lost with the arena split, and I still don't believe the benefits outweigh the cons.
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