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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2008, 08:55:41 PM »
and another one where someone said that the Japanese pilots were CIA people wearing Japanese symbols just so we could attack Japan. People are just plain stupid.

Pretty neat trick considering the CIA didnt come into being untill 1947.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2008, 11:06:53 PM »
We're in it. But it doesnt include bullets or any kind of military weapontry. IEDs, explosives or acts of terrorism

And at the moment.
We are loosing.

  Given that if either side launched ballistic missiles the other side would have to conclude they were nuclear and react accordingly. This would preclude any long range attacks. The US Navy would control the sea so an invasion of US soil would not happen. On the other hand the US politically would not be able to withstand the casualties that would result from an invasion of China. On land the Chinese would have the advantage in numbers but the disadvantage in technology. So any armed conflict would take the place of a third party such as North Korea or Iran.

  Now if you accept that premise, consider that 40% of our national budget goes for servicing our debt, it won't take a genius to figure out that our economy is our strength and our weakness.  We have the potential to manufacture vast material for war. In a nuclear war the ability to manufacture is of little value. It comes down to what you have in the two hour launch window. After that its simply survivors.

 A peace time economic assault done over a number of years would be effective. We have a Congress that has over 600 members. There is no strategic national trade plan. Every member of Congress can negotiate a trade bill. Most of the debate over trade bills is just partisan bickering.
   
 So if your China and you want the US on the ropes just negotiate win/loss trade bills. Set up a few PAC's and get your lobbyists to work. Congress will gladly follow the money.
  Use North Korea or any belligerent state to get the US military spread out protecting assets, burning up material, personnel. Exploit the liberal trade US trade rules until the trade deficit becomes unmanageable. With a lack of hard currency the US has to cut spending on domestic programs and its military. A devalued dollar and servicing the national debt is problematic. Cutbacks in domestic and military spending and the US Navy, which China has no counter punch for is neutralized.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2008, 04:57:43 AM »
The OSS helped Ho Chi Min kick the Japs out of China.The CIA assisted bin Laden In his mission against the infidel communists in Afghanistsan.It might be useful to Know who the CIA are helping right now. ;)
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2008, 04:59:37 AM »
Oops! out of Indo china,Vietnam.
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2008, 07:30:23 AM »

   On land the Chinese would have the advantage in numbers but the disadvantage in technology.

technology doesn't win wars, numbers do.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2008, 07:33:50 AM »
technology doesn't win wars, numbers do.

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depends what your view of win is.... if 911 has taught us anything...and viet nam before it....it's that this type of old school thinking is not necessarily true anymore.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2008, 07:56:43 AM »
9-11 didn't change anything.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2008, 08:23:13 AM »
9-11 didn't change anything.


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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2008, 08:24:39 AM »

fishing?

goner

Ok saw your post in the other thread. So I see you're not that... but yeah, kindof.  :D

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2008, 09:09:49 AM »
technology doesn't win wars, numbers do.

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  Tell that to Iraq

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2008, 09:32:58 AM »
  Tell that to Iraq

You are assuming that the US have won? Won what? A few thousand bodies in caskets, plus oil rights in Iraq? Who's the winner?

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2008, 09:37:59 AM »
You are assuming that the US have won? Won what? A few thousand bodies in caskets, plus oil rights in Iraq? Who's the winner?

In the army versus army engagement, the US crushed Iraq unequivically.

The fact that we cannot eradicate the partisans is another matter, and has plagued every major military from the Romans, all the way up to the Empire in Star Wars. Beating an enemy physically is a technological task, and was executed efficiently. Ending the resistence is an ideological task, and no technology has proven effective in this.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2008, 09:53:38 AM »


Ending the resistence is an ideological task, and no technology has proven effective in this.

THIS proves my point. technology doesn't win. if we were to go in there in more numbers, with no binding rules of engagement, then the remaining resistance will be quelled too.
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2008, 10:10:06 AM »
THIS proves my point. technology doesn't win. if we were to go in there in more numbers, with no binding rules of engagement, then the remaining resistance will be quelled too.
 numbers win wars.

CAP, I believe I read somewhere that the "binding rules of engagement" are part of the way to win ideallogically, as well as militarily. I mean, you can fight a resistance the same way the Gestapo did during WWII. But look at how that turned out for the Nazi's.


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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2008, 10:19:05 AM »
Bottom line is that wars are just bs made up by politicians and the real powers above them (not god, mind you). For people (doesn't matter which country you live in) there is no such thing as winning a war. This has been going on for hundreds of years.

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