July FSO, Der Zeite Blitz: 1945

[humble]

Give the Allies more Temps and Spit 14s to counter 262s? 

The Tempest is a very marginal bird here since its got short legs and poor performance at alt. It's best role would be in hunting returning araddo's and 262's and capping the RTB fields. FSO is a completely different enviornment then the MA. The P47N and spit14 should shine here...

The simple reality is that the luftwaffe wasnt really set up for this type of operation. The 262 doesnt have long legs and is a marginal performer at 30,000. The Arado is not a high altitude bomber and is vulnerable. It's going to be very hard for the arado's to get ords on target...I think the 262 losses will be very high...

[Strip]

Humble,
     I agree a Tempest is a dog above 20k and above 25k is just absolutly horrible compared to its low alt performance. Above 30K I am going to be more concerned with 152s than 262s.....specially if moot is in one. 

Strip

[swareiam]

Gentlemen and Ladies,

As I observe your comments and concerns in regards to what will be a battle of epic proportions. I will simple state that this FSO will push the CiCs ability to properly plan and be successful to his/her limits. Good luck to both sides. 

Cheers

[Bino]

...
Then again, my understanding was that the FSO events were not designed to be fair, but to tell a story of (what if.)

The point values and scoring of a "historical" event can take this in to account. For example:

It is decided to simulate a well-known rout: Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7 1941.  To give it some balance, if the IJN can "only" duplicate the historical outcome, it is scored as a draw.  If the IJN can do more damage than was done in RL, the score tips in their favor.  If the USA & USN hurt the IJN more or preserve more ships than they did in RL, then they get the nod.  Obviously, it is more complicated when you play with hypothetical "events" like this planned FSO, because you have to anticipate the true balance of forces and what the outcome would have been. 

See also:  http://greenwings.hp-parrots.de/EMCSPEC/DesigningHistoricalScenarios.htm

Anyway, kudos to the FSO staff for - once again - trying something new. 

[Saxman]

Bino,

A better "Alternate Reality" setup for Pearl Harbor would be to play out one of the scenarios where the Americans actually took notice of the advanced warnings, and Pearl Harbor turned into an all-out fleet and air battle

[4XTCH]

That's because it is a mis match.

If 200 axis players show up, yuo're still lookin gat over half the axis pilots flying Jets.

Then again, my understanding was that the FSO events were not designed to be fair, but to tell a story of (what if.)

To be a little more specific, this is a story of "what if".

I do believe that most FSO's are designed to be fair. but really it's as much about the pilot as it is the plane.

my .02

4XTCH

[Hamltnblue]

For the last 2 frames of the last FSO our night was ended by vulchers.  Thought we would have learned after the first time but some have moved to MA tactics to get kills.  The next few weeks sounds like a blast but I would request that a return line be made similar to the BOB to prevent the 262's from going on vulching runs.  I find the 262's are actually fun to fight when in 51D's and can be easily had if you get them turning some.

[HAMMERR]

New long-range fighters that were designed to fight in the Pacific were trickling in to the European theater.

How is this true with no F4U4 in the lineup?

[Stoney]

How is this true with no F4U4 in the lineup?

The F4U-4 was not a "long-range fighter intended for the Pacific".  It was merely an upgraded Corsair.  The P-47N was specifically designed for long-range escort of B-29's.  If, in the case of my fictional scenario, the B-29 was to operate from much longer ranges over Europe, the P-47N was transferred to provide escort.

Don't read too much into this, please.  For the most part, aside from a total reversal of some of the fortunes of war that occurred historically, this is a fairly plausible setup, even if totally fictional.

[Husky01]

Actually this set up reminds me alot of one we flew a while back, but the name escapes me at the moment.

Edit: Now I remember the name it was Arado Ar234 "Blitz" by Nomde I believe.

[REP0MAN]

I do believe that most FSO's are designed to be fair. but really it's as much about the pilot as it is the plane.

I think this event is going to tax pilot skill, squad cohesiveness AND, if not the most important, CiC planning!

4X is right, events are designed to be somewhat fair. As of late, I have seen these hardworking Admin's design events where planning on the side of the CiC and squad communication are paramount for victory.

All in all, this is going to be a lot of fun. See you guys on the flight line!

[SmokinLoon]

The Spit14 and Tempests will do just fine vs the Me262 and Ar234.  The 234 inst the fasted when flying w/ its ords and the Me262 needs exeprience and skill to be flown dangerously, otherwise it is just a 480mph Typhoon.

I look for this to be a good time!    

btw... I call dibs on a Spit14.  

[humble]

For the last 2 frames of the last FSO our night was ended by vulchers.  Thought we would have learned after the first time but some have moved to MA tactics to get kills.  The next few weeks sounds like a blast but I would request that a return line be made similar to the BOB to prevent the 262's from going on vulching runs.  I find the 262's are actually fun to fight when in 51D's and can be easily had if you get them turning some.

Actually "vulching is a very real part of war, many german 262's were lost while trying to RTB. This is one of the major drawbackes for the axis CiC to ponder. While his offensive mission is clear, he has to provide a cohesive defense to recover his assets. I'd bet more then a few arado's and 262s go down on final...

[shreck]

Maybe spread the 262s around to all squads to be used mostly as scout or local fast acting reserve flights! 262s en mass would be terror

64 Me-262s? I think that 64 262s may be tipping the scale a tad to much, in DGS we only had 2 262's a frame and that made an immense diffrence. Mabey only have a Maximum of only 32 262s?

Just a thought....

The event looks like a ton of fun either way though.

[Fencer51]

Maybe spread the 262s around to all squads to be used mostly as scout or local fast acting reserve flights! 262s en mass would be terror

I believe the French had the same thought in 1940, but with Tanks.  Didn't work out too well for them either.