July FSO, Der Zeite Blitz: 1945

[humble]

This thread is hilarious.

Snap, I like Krusty and while we often disagree on things, we keep it civil.  What he types gets him in trouble, nothing more.  This is not the venue for suggesting duels based on this topic.  I don't think anyone needs to duel someone in order to "comment" , do you?  Moot, while totally lethal, is not the only TA ace in game.  Vortex is massivley talented in the TA sir.  Massively.  Very few pilots in AH would last more than a few minutes with him at alt.  But that is not the question here.  You seem to be gunning for Vortex lately, on many different threads.  Maybe I am wrong about that.  I do hope so, as being a close freind to the man, I can tell ya he is a poilished act.

I'm not gunning for vortex in anyway at all. To the best of my knowledge the only place I've ever "crossed swords" with him is in the recent "storch" AvA thread.....I probably argue with Krusty on the BBS more then anybody. I was also not implying a "duel". I tool around with alot of guys in the DA in a very friendly "lets try things out" manner all the time. IMO the person being uncivil was vortex (which he seems to do alot). He's the one flat out telling Krusty he doesnt know how to fly the plane (152). In actually reading Krustys comment its pretty clear he's saying exactly the same thing as vortex....

From my perspective if anything he was "gunning" (to use your term) for Krusty, all I did was question why he would choose to make a comment on Krustys skill level. My personal thoughts are that the 152 is at a disadvantage vs both the spitXIV and the P47N at 30k....the spitty is a significantly better plane at high alt and while the 47N will come down to relative pilot skills its an easier plane to fly up high due to its stability....

[Stoney]

Let's get rid of the personal tit-for-tat and get back on point please.

[moot]

I am glad I came up with this idea........ this is going to be a BLAST!!!


 

No doubt about it..  Gonna have people on edge too, high speeds (no time for any hesitation) and there's no BB guns anywhere in the planeset..

[Dantoo]

I don't like posting redundantly but Moot just summed it beautifully.  Once an engagement commences there is going to be stress.  If you had beads of sweat during the last FSO you will produce a bucket here. More time jockeying for position and less time shooting. 

I'll add by reprhasing or restating a point of view I tried to make earlier.  This FSO initially seems simple.  I believe it to be quite complex.  CIC's will have to think in 4 dimensions to exploit the strengths they wield.  This will be ever so important for the Axis side.  Without careful planning of routes, altitudes and timings they will walk the edge of disaster.  With exceptional planning they might inflict one.

At every level there looks to be a great and memorable FSO in the offing.

[Sled]

Let's get rid of the personal tit-for-tat and get back on point please.

Yes, please stop "poking" at each other. I am getting tired of reading it.

[AKDogg]

the me262's should have a penalty if shot down.  Lose a 262, u lose it for the entire fso.  lose 64 262's frame 1, u lose them for the rest of the frames.

[Nefarious]

the me262's should have a penalty if shot down.  Lose a 262, u lose it for the entire fso.  lose 64 262's frame 1, u lose them for the rest of the frames.

Interesting.

[33Vortex]

And why should that apply to the 262 only? The scenario is completely ahistorical, any reference to historical a/c availability is thus nullified.

[Motherland]

1200 262's were actually built by Germany by April 1945 with their industry bombed into oblivion. Imagine how many could have been built by June 1945 if heavy bombing ended in late '43 as per the scenario description. If anything should be limited it would be Spitfire Mk14's, Tempests and P47N's, but that would be a bit unfair.

[moot]

Someone do the math.. Would attrition of those 1200 262s vs. attrition of however many of each other model in the scenario equate to 64 262s being the proportional maximum "germany" could field?

[33Vortex]

Read the scenario again, it's completely up to the scenario designer to dictate the rules because it clearly has nothing, or very little, to do with historical events (as they happened). So 1200 262s is also, a irrelevant number.

Fact remains that the germans pushed jet a/c into service earlier than the allies, while the allies relied more on proven technology used in numbers. Had the situation been as in this scenario, jet a/c would no doubt have taken priority in development on the allied side as well. However, the German Me262 was a superior design at the time. With its swept wing it was more aerodynamically advanced than the US P80 and the British Meteor. Had the Germans laid their priorities right, they could have fielded the 262 in 1943, while the allies may have been able to match that service date (roughly, I don't know enough of their development to tell but let's assume they could have) with their own jet fighters, the 262 was at the time the most advanced design.

Given the conditions of this scenario, it seems the U-boot war in the atlantic is playing out in favor of the germans. So it wouldn't be odd if supplies were scarce on the British isles.

It is a kind of a "nightmare" scenario for the allies. So what, do people have a problem with that?

[moot]

I read it.  The brief doesn't say anything about departure from the historical development of the 262.  It hints at the UK being less well-off..  The point of my post was in response to AKDogg suggesting the 262s get attrition along the three frames.  Would the jets' numbers have followed such a trend of attrition relative to (zero) allied attrition, if we changed the proportions from 1200 to 64?

[33Vortex]

Would the jets' numbers have followed such a trend of attrition relative to (zero) allied attrition, if we changed the proportions from 1200 to 64?

Could you clarify? Relative to what? It could be just me, english is not my first language so sometimes I miss things that are said.

[moot]

Relative to the allies' infinite supply of airplanes. The best thing to do is most likely to just wait for the first frame's result, though.  I think the setup could go either way completely, so just three frames won't be enough to base a rebalancing strategy on.  It's all going to be in the players and commanders' hands.

[Saxman]

My one suggestion is that, considering this may be a rare time where squads overwhelmingly request to fly Axis over Allies, this frame be an exception to the "flying for the same side consecutively" rule.