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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2008, 12:29:58 AM »
In 1939, USA vs. Miller, the SC ruled gun ownership to be a collective right.
How does a collective right differ from an individual right?  You cannot have one without the other.  In other words, 350 million individual rights translate
into a larger collective right....do they not?  You cannot have a collective right without the individual right?

Dumb question but it begs to be asked  :eek:
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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2008, 02:22:54 AM »
Wow, you guys should read their blog on the ACLU website.  As the OP mentioned, they are getting shredded

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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 09:28:42 AM »
There is no such thing as a "collective right" or.. to be more precise.. a collective right is no right at all.

carrel.. the reason that it is being said that this is the first time in history that the individual right has been ruled on is because... wait for it... this is the first time.   It was assumed (rightfully) by the court in "Miller" that it was an individual right with the only restriction being that the weapons be useful if someone wanted to be in a militia..  Miller was not in any militia other than the fact that we all are by virtue of being citizens.

The ruling confirmed that the right to keep and bear arms is not granted by government but a natural and god given one "unalienable" and that the amendment only limits governments power over a natural right.

The commie hypocrites at the ACLU deserve all the shredding they are getting,   they deserve to have their agenda dragged out into the open.

How could they possibly be not supporting this decision if they really are for protecting our individual rights?  Nope.. they are not.. they were founded by a commie and they continue to embrace his ideals and realize that no armed populace would put up with their commie crap.

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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 10:17:23 AM »
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed = Individual Right.

Will not surrender this right ever.

Why is this open to interpretation?  Keep means stores them on your person or property.  Bear arms means, to take up the arms against their government or foreign invaders.  It's supposed to be there to keep the government in check! 

The ACLU is a greasy group of hippies that want the government to do everything for us. 

Hell go see Wall-E.  It's what they want the world to become. 

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 10:25:22 AM »
Lazs, at the time the Bill of Rights was written virtually every able bodied man in the Colonies was in a "Militia." There were no meetings or drills, but whenever the church bell gave the alarm everyone grabbed their gun and assembled.

Personally I believe gun ownership at that time was thought to be such a basic right- actually a basic necessity of life- the Framers didn't feel it was worthy of guarantee, any more than giving you the right to wear a hat was mentioned. What WAS worthy of mention was the right of citizens to band together to protect themselves against the tyrany of even their own Government, which was a novel idea, and is what the Second did.

If I were to advocate for gun ownership I'd point out the customs of those times allowed everybody to own and carry the most advanced weapons of the day, and was never intended to be resticted at any rate; I'd imagine the Framers would be spinning in their graves if the Citizens here were told today we can no longer own firearms.

So in my humble opinion the Second states we have a collective right to form militas rather than an individual right to own guns because the individual right to posess a gun was such a universal necessity of life during those times, like posessing a plow or an axe.  
  

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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 10:44:08 AM »
So in my humble opinion the Second states we have a collective right to form militas rather than an individual right to own guns because the individual right to posess a gun was such a universal necessity of life during those times, like posessing a plow or an axe.  
  

You are certainly entitled to have that opinion but fortunately in deciding matters such as Heller v DC things are held to a higher standard.

Again, quoting text of US v Miller, demonstrate where that decision delineated the RKBA as a collective right. No one can do it, because as Scalia clearly pointed out it isn't in there.

I suppose I could say that in my humble opinion the Federal government should have the right to censor newspapers. Unfortunately there is a body of law and a SC decisions that would make that opinion of mine ludicrous.

Just as the Heller v DC decision with Scalia's excellent delineation of the individual right makes your opinion ludicrous.

Sorry, I know that sounds harsh but that is as apt a comparison as I can make.
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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 11:13:34 AM »
Well Toad, I suggest you rethink your intention of becoming a Democrat then. You'd be a lousy one anyway.
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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 11:17:38 AM »
Yeah, I know; it was a joke.

Anyone that believes in a strict interpretation of what the Constitution actually says really can't be a Democrat at all.  :D
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« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008, 03:54:42 PM »
Steve,  I took your advice and went to the ACLUs website Blog.

Amazing the beating they are taking over this.  Seems as though they are about to lose a great many contributors.

To the ACLU......did anyone there consider taking a reading comprehension class?
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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2008, 04:04:20 PM »



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Personally I believe gun ownership at that time was thought to be such a basic right- actually a basic necessity of life-

Why isn't it a necessity now?  What's changed?  Violent crime rates are through the roof compared to colonial times... how is it that we need guns less now than back then?
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« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2008, 04:23:08 PM »
The older I get the more I despise gun Laws that restrict honest, law abiding, citizens.
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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2008, 06:24:44 PM »
So its like having the right to free speech....but only speech that doesnt offend anyone.  Like what we see in France if one speaks out about the Muslims (Go Ms Bardot!)

If the 2nd Ammendment is indeed valid, as the SC said, then the ACLU trying to wrangle what firearms are OK and not is just an obvious attempt to rewrite the Ammendment.  (See above example)


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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 06:40:31 PM »
Steve,  I took your advice and went to the ACLUs website Blog.

Amazing the beating they are taking over this.  Seems as though they are about to lose a great many contributors.


There's a lot of eloquent comments there.  Check them out...

http://blog.aclu.org/2008/07/01/heller-decision-and-the-second-amendment/

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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 06:51:46 PM »
There's a lot of eloquent comments there.  Check them out...

http://blog.aclu.org/2008/07/01/heller-decision-and-the-second-amendment/


Taken from a comment:

"Q: How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?
A: 1, 3, 4, 5 . . ."

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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 07:44:08 PM »
Obvious to me the 2A rights are a political issue for the ACLU not a civil rights issue.

Peter Soros has probably gotten the whip out for the floggings that will be coming at ACLU HQ for the loss to the SC.
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