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Offline Swoop

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Falklands conflict #2
« on: July 09, 2008, 12:00:15 PM »
I sincerely hope not.

a) We're in no shape to go through that again.
b) Our present government is far too poofy to go through that again.
c) I've got friends in Argentina and have no wish to see our countries as war.  Again.




from the telegraph:

Argentina's military threat raises fears over Falklands
By Graeme Baker
Last Updated: 11:54PM BST 08/07/2008
Argentina raised the prospect of posting military forces in the Antarctic region yesterday, with the announcement of plans to use troops to defend its interests.
President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner told defence chiefs that Argentina must be prepared to assert its sovereignty and protect its natural resources, as nations compete to claim areas of the region believed to be rich in oil.

The plans threaten to inflame tensions between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, which the South American nation still considers to be its sovereign territory despite losing a war in 1982.

Argentinian forces were driven from the islands by a British naval task force after three months of fighting and the loss of hundreds of lives. The victory proved decisive in the re-election in 1983 of Margaret Thatcher.

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"This world is no longer a world divided by ideology," Mrs Fernández said. "It is more complex, and it is necessary to defend our natural resources, our Antarctica, our water."

The Argentine president compared the plan to Brazil using its soldiers to protect natural resources in the Amazon rainforest.

The proposals come as Britain considers whether formally to claim exploration rights to extended areas of the sea bed around the Falklands, South Georgia and the British Antarctic Territory.

Moves are also being made by Argentina, Australia, China, France, New Zealand and Norway to boost their presence and lay claim to waters that could yield oil. Antarctica, protected under a 1959 treaty allowing only scientific research, is the only continent that remains free of military forces.

The Argentine president's comments are the first to suggest the use of troops to protect a country's interests.

The proposals come as Mrs Fernández faces growing opposition at home after winning power last year in a landslide victory to succeed her husband, Néstor Kirchner, as president.

Her ties to the Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez have strained relations with the United States and a sluggish economy has seen widespread protests against her policies.

Britain has plans to claim more than 350,000 square miles of sea bed under a United Nations convention that allows rights to areas that are a continuation of their territory's continental shelf.

However, a Foreign Office spokesman last night stressed that Britain had not made a formal submission to the UN "although we reserve the right to do so". The deadline is May next year.

The situation in part mirrors a rush for territorial rights at the North Pole, also believed to contain vast energy reserves. Russia sparked the race last August by symbolically placing a flag on the sea bed, claiming huge tracts of the region for itself.

In turn, Canada announced it would build military training bases in the region and step up patrols of shipping lanes. Denmark and the United States have followed suit since.

The Russian army said last month that it was prepared to send winter warfare forces to the region to protect its interests.

Offline DiabloTX

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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 12:07:14 PM »
Sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

This could get very interesting.
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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 12:21:48 PM »
And I was made fun of on these very boards for saying that the Falkland Islands were still under contention.





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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 12:39:19 PM »
Great....yet ANOTHER war over SHEEP.    :O



Baaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.




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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 12:43:04 PM »
just give them the damned island imo.  those whiney argies will never shut up.
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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 12:48:50 PM »
Best part about the Falkland's war.......

"We hereby declare WAR and will take back the Falkland Islands as soon as our warships get there.......see you in two weeks"

First time I heard war declared.......with a two week time lapse.

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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 01:22:22 PM »
Fire up the Spits and Mossies Swoop........You've been drafted son....... :uhoh

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 01:23:48 PM »
What level of readiness has Arg's military attained since the 80's?
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 01:29:05 PM »
What do the Falklands have besides fishing rights and sheep?
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 01:44:43 PM »
What level of readiness has Arg's military attained since the 80's?


They had brought some land based missle technology from France.  What shape it's in or if they have bought new stuff is the question.

They did have a small handfull of decent pilots.  They are all retired by now.




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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 01:51:21 PM »
What do the Falklands have besides fishing rights and sheep?

They have a face.
The face of being a subject of the empire.
BTW, the Falkland war of 1982 probably just did the Argentinians good, since it toppled the government. This time...I put my money on the UK being stiff as well, and I bloody well hope they will!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 02:00:34 PM »
Interestingly, the RAF keep 4 x Tornado F3s at RAF Mount Pleasant on the Falkland Islands, the three operational aircraft are supposedly called Faith, Hope and Charity like the legendary Gloster Gladiators used to defend Malta.  These will be replaced by Eurofighter Typhoons before too long  :aok

We need to test our our new Type 45's and Typhoons, maybe the argies will be kind enough to oblige?
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Re: Falklands conflict #2
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 02:02:18 PM »
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And I was made fun of on these very boards for saying that the Falkland Islands were still under contention.

Who said they weren't under contention? It's not news to me. I had a long discussion 6 years ago with an Argentinian who refused to call the islands anything other than the Malvinas. You were made fun of because you denied the Falklands war was in fact a war.

Swoop is right. We don't have the Cold War sized military anymore and we are stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan as it is. Can't the Argies wait until 2014 when we have new carrier groups? Rather unsporting if you ask me.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 02:07:32 PM »
No war for oil Britain!

Or at least get full UN approval first.


(Curious.  Why don't doesn't this fall under the Monroe Doctrine?)

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 02:08:05 PM »
You mean no war for sheep, right?
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