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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2008, 08:06:07 PM »
I thought Obama's observation had some merit, but I'm suspicious of him enough to suspect that his words were meant more for middle white America ... especially since he didn't bother to praise the many, many good black fathers and family men who do the right thing every day.  In other words, I think Obama is astute and intuitive enough to know how to widen his appeal with middle America and betting that the black men he just threw under the bus will tolerate it to see a black man get over.  Too bad his policies on nearly everthing are destructive to our country.

I can't understand why there isn't more talk about the upcoming war in the middle east.  Maybe they would like to forget about it.  McCain should be speaking realistically about it even if people don't really get it yet.  It is a freight train coming down the track, and its blowing its whistle... Israel will strike Iran - maybe the US will too - this is the most immediate issue. 
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2008, 08:07:16 PM »
The white people.  :D
You have a point. I stated it almost a year ago, America is not ready to elect a black leader.

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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 08:46:54 PM »
I'm not sure if Molato is a politically correct term anymore? (Shrugs) He's definately got African American heritage though.

People don't use "Molato" much anymore. If there's no French heritage, its just usually "mixed." But if there is a French history "Creole" is still used.

"New Orleans ladies
Sassy style that will drive you crazy
And they hold you like the light
Hugs the wick while this candle's burning

Them Creole babies
Thin and brown and downright lazy
And they roll just like the river
A little wave will last forever" - Louisiana LeRoux

Here's a weird link to the song. I like it because it stresses the bass ( which is in itself is a beautiful melody). You can search for other versions on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYUBLOSSt7I&feature=related
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2008, 10:15:49 PM »
Why is race an issue ?
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2008, 10:27:04 PM »
Why is race an issue ?

Because there's profit, power, and leverage at stake.
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2008, 10:53:21 PM »
Because there's profit, power, and leverage at stake.

exactly, thats why Jessy Jackson did not work a single day in his life.

Great job for a piece of s* looser.

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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2008, 03:37:22 AM »
Indeed.  More accurately it should have read, "Supwidat, yo?! He no homey, no wut I'm sayin'?!"

:rofl That one cracked me up.
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2008, 07:26:17 AM »
good thing jackson didn't call obama a "nappy headed ho", jackson would have had to resign his job.   :lol

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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2008, 07:40:15 AM »
You have a point. I stated it almost a year ago, America is not ready to elect a black leader.
People are rarely ready for anything. Hell, it's almost part of the human condition. But things happen anyway, and we get used to them. I can't think of a better way for America to get used to a black leader... than by having a black leader elected. Obama isn't the right guy, though.

Plenty of people here in NYC making a myth out of the man, deceiving themselves that the vague politician-talk coming out of his mouth is something meaningful. It's frightening.
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2008, 08:45:42 AM »
Seriousy, why would you vote for Obama?

I'm curious to see your reasoning.

Why?  Because there's no way I would ever vote for McCain.  I actually find the prospect of that guy being President to be quite disturbing, seeing as he does not seem overly intelligent (he graduated very near the bottom of his military class), and also I dislike his foreign policy, which seems to be following that of Bush (largely because McCain supports attacking Iran).  In addition to this, I have listened to Obama speaking, and whilst his economic policies may not be too sound, I think that at this time, it is far more important to have a President with a good foreign policy - i.e. one which prefers negotiating with countries such as Iran, rather than attacking them.

And just in case any rabid right-winger charges in here and screams "nnnaah you cannot reason with Arabs all they want to do is kill all Christians" (yes, I have heard that before), I am going to say that if you think that, you really need to actually visit the Middle East - I am in Bahrain now, and let me assure you that the previous comment is far from the truth.

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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2008, 09:44:49 AM »
good thing jackson didn't call obama a "nappy headed ho", jackson would have had to resign his job.   :lol

Job?? When did he get a job???

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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2008, 02:16:40 PM »
(he graduated very near the bottom of his military class),
Yossarian


I thought I read he graduated 37th in his class at Annapolis.  That does not sound very low.   But I can't find where I read it so maybe your right. lol
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2008, 06:59:51 PM »
Why?  Because there's no way I would ever vote for McCain.  I actually find the prospect of that guy being President to be quite disturbing, seeing as he does not seem overly intelligent (he graduated very near the bottom of his military class), and also I dislike his foreign policy, which seems to be following that of Bush (largely because McCain supports attacking Iran).  In addition to this, I have listened to Obama speaking, and whilst his economic policies may not be too sound, I think that at this time, it is far more important to have a President with a good foreign policy - i.e. one which prefers negotiating with countries such as Iran, rather than attacking them.

And just in case any rabid right-winger charges in here and screams "nnnaah you cannot reason with Arabs all they want to do is kill all Christians" (yes, I have heard that before), I am going to say that if you think that, you really need to actually visit the Middle East - I am in Bahrain now, and let me assure you that the previous comment is far from the truth.

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I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. But I do have a couple of points I would like to make.


1. Never assume that a persons GPA or standing in their graduating class is an indication of intelligence. I personally graduated at the bottom of my class yet was offered a full scholarship to the University of Maryland because I nearly aced the SATs. Why? School was boring for me. While everyone else was plodding along studying chapter 8 of their text book, I'd already devoured the entire book and understood the principles outlined.

2. The United States does negotiate with its enemies. What seems to have been conveniently forgotten is Saddam Hussein was given a whole ten years during which he repeatedly snubbed his nose at the rest of the world. Don't forget that he purposely ordered the attack of a smaller neighboring country (Kuwaitt), thereby threatening Saudi Arabia, where you currently reside. The U.S U.N and U.A.E gave him every opportunity to comply with international weapons inspectors, but he would only allow them access when he was threatened with a military response. Also. don't ever forget that during the first Gulf War he purposely ordered the launch of SCUD missiles at targets in Israel and Saudi Arabia in an effort to swing Arab opinion in his favor.

3. As for Iran, who are currently test firing mid range missiles, I give you this quote from Iranian President Ahmadinejad

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Heres' a link to the story.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

How are you supposed to negotiate with someone like this?

Let's say in the not too distant future that Iran succeeds in securing launch capable WMD's and their president threatens to launch a strike against Isreal. Who would you want as CIC? Obama? McCain?

Personally I'd prefer McCain mostly because he's already made that decision, long ago, in 1967. As a fighter/bomber pilot in Vietnam he had the final say as to who would die when he consciously chose to release his bombs over a target.

Has Obama done anything remotely like this?

4. I've had the displeasure to be involved in the initial interview of several terrorists who were detained by my unit while I was stationed in Germany in the mid seventies. I was assigned to my units G2 at the time. They attempted to gain access to the base ammo dump and were snagged by a couple of  M-16 toting guards. Their whole demeanor was disturbing. They had already chosen to die, there was nothing you could do to them, nothing you could threaten them with, to get them to cooperate in a civil manner. It is not possible to negotiate with a person who has chosen that path. Negotiation involves trading. I'll give you this if you give me that. In most cases the trade involves a life, usually the terrorists life as they normally hold the hostages during a standoff. If they're prepared to to die, the only thing you can realistically  do is speed them on their way.

Honestly I've never come across the comment that all Arabs want to kill Christians! Now if the comment was "All Arab terrorists want to kill  Christians" Yes, I've seen that.

Carrel, I've checked and McCain graduated 884 out of 889 from his class at Annapolis in 1958.

I don't mean to be harsh. I actually enjoy a good, intelligent discussion, on the issues, but the reasons you cite for your decision are emotional at best.
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2008, 04:28:38 AM »
They're actually too late. Obama already traded his testicles with his political sponsors.
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Re: Rev Jackson wants to casterate Obama (figuratively I hope)
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2008, 07:00:59 AM »
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. But I do have a couple of points I would like to make.


1. Never assume that a persons GPA or standing in their graduating class is an indication of intelligence. I personally graduated at the bottom of my class yet was offered a full scholarship to the University of Maryland because I nearly aced the SATs. Why? School was boring for me. While everyone else was plodding along studying chapter 8 of their text book, I'd already devoured the entire book and understood the principles outlined.

2. The United States does negotiate with its enemies. What seems to have been conveniently forgotten is Saddam Hussein was given a whole ten years during which he repeatedly snubbed his nose at the rest of the world. Don't forget that he purposely ordered the attack of a smaller neighboring country (Kuwaitt), thereby threatening Saudi Arabia, where you currently reside. The U.S U.N and U.A.E gave him every opportunity to comply with international weapons inspectors, but he would only allow them access when he was threatened with a military response. Also. don't ever forget that during the first Gulf War he purposely ordered the launch of SCUD missiles at targets in Israel and Saudi Arabia in an effort to swing Arab opinion in his favor.

3. As for Iran, who are currently test firing mid range missiles, I give you this quote from Iranian President Ahmadinejad

Ahmadinejad sparked widespread international condemnation in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Heres' a link to the story.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

How are you supposed to negotiate with someone like this?

Let's say in the not too distant future that Iran succeeds in securing launch capable WMD's and their president threatens to launch a strike against Isreal. Who would you want as CIC? Obama? McCain?

Personally I'd prefer McCain mostly because he's already made that decision, long ago, in 1967. As a fighter/bomber pilot in Vietnam he had the final say as to who would die when he consciously chose to release his bombs over a target.

Has Obama done anything remotely like this?

4. I've had the displeasure to be involved in the initial interview of several terrorists who were detained by my unit while I was stationed in Germany in the mid seventies. I was assigned to my units G2 at the time. They attempted to gain access to the base ammo dump and were snagged by a couple of  M-16 toting guards. Their whole demeanor was disturbing. They had already chosen to die, there was nothing you could do to them, nothing you could threaten them with, to get them to cooperate in a civil manner. It is not possible to negotiate with a person who has chosen that path. Negotiation involves trading. I'll give you this if you give me that. In most cases the trade involves a life, usually the terrorists life as they normally hold the hostages during a standoff. If they're prepared to to die, the only thing you can realistically  do is speed them on their way.

Honestly I've never come across the comment that all Arabs want to kill Christians! Now if the comment was "All Arab terrorists want to kill  Christians" Yes, I've seen that.

Carrel, I've checked and McCain graduated 884 out of 889 from his class at Annapolis in 1958.

I don't mean to be harsh. I actually enjoy a good, intelligent discussion, on the issues, but the reasons you cite for your decision are emotional at best.


Well, I agree with a lot of what you say, including your point that the reasons I gave for liking and supporting Obama are largely emotional ones.  However, although McCain has served in the military, I still fundamentally do not trust him, largely because I think he's going to follow in Bush's footsteps too closely.  In addition to this, although I don't have any evidence to back this up, I've noticed that McCain seems to switch his sides on issues occasionally.

Also, one of the reasons why I distrust/dislike him, is because he supports torture/waterboarding.

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