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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #210 on: July 16, 2008, 04:01:49 PM »
This is all fixable. One side change per 24 hrs and no cross country comms except 200. Then make a 1 strike and out policy.

I dont switch, can you do it as often as you like now?

Because "now" you can either tell all your Pals exactly what their "opponents" are doing, and where. Or you can just switch sides your ownself and run up perks and your rank easily. And there isn't even a rule against it.

Its just ridiculous the way things are now. Just silly. :lol



I agree rich, but be prepared---

You will be roasted on a spit by the exact same people who use the current loopholes for evil purposes.

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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #211 on: July 16, 2008, 04:07:55 PM »
Cheating, Its gonna happen, deal with it. Its funny this is already a 60 post thread, all about a handfull of people spying. Its a game, god. If you get frusterated by a select few then Its time to log. I think people take this game a little too seriously.


Well...you are mis-labeling it.

Your not supposed to use the "C" word, because it's technically not the "C" word, it's just extremely slimey gameplay.

What you may not be aware of is that the same people who do it get on the boards and lie about it.

On top of that, they attack anyone on the boards who exposes the slimey gameplay and then lies about it.

Do you are about your own integrity?




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« Reply #212 on: July 16, 2008, 04:08:35 PM »
 :salute

There will still be cheaters. Phone calls are cheap. But it will be a lot harder and AH will have made a statement about it.

CAN? you change sides as often as you like now? Or is there a limit in place?
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« Reply #213 on: July 16, 2008, 04:10:46 PM »
This is all fixable. One side change per 24 hrs and no cross country comms except 200. Then make a 1 strike and out policy.


I like the ability to PM people from the other country and talk about fights/family/life/stuff like that.  I have a lot of friends in this game flying on the different chess pieces, and I don't feel like hogging 200 as my personal chatroom with them.

In fact I wish more people would use PM's.

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The time limit for switching sides has been fairly recently reduced for a number of well-argued and thought out reasons.  It used to be much longer than it is today, and that is a bad thing.

The side switching is a great tool for people who want to help balance the game out, or try something new.  

It's also good for training purposes.  Once, after a few hours of TA instruction, TC took a classmate and me out for a MA sortie to put the training into practice in the MA environment.  Some of us had to switch countries for awhile.  If one of us had squadnight or something along those lines later on that night, it might have been hard for us to do that.

The good of lessened side switching times (balance, playability, training, comraderie, etc.), outweighs the "bad" (missions coming across opposition).
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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #214 on: July 16, 2008, 04:11:08 PM »
Ok so its the lieing about it thats getting us all worked up? Why would you lie on a game anyway? The people dont even know you, so whats to hide?

Im with you on this one rox.
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« Reply #215 on: July 16, 2008, 04:12:14 PM »

Slapshot :salute

I think that folks have bent the topic so far out of shape that they don't even remember the original premise.

I am not saying you don't have your Cod given right to switch sides.  There are many excellent squads that rotate sides ever quarter or even once a tour.  Those squads do it so they don't get into a rut, and end up recruiting a far wider range of squaddies over just staying on one country.  I'm not sayting there's anything wrong with that.

Ever see someone in the express lane on a Interstate Highway slam on the brakes--cross three lanes of traffic and get off at an exit, almost causing three accidents in the process?  Didn't they know where they were going when they left the house?  Same thing in this game.  You see people who side hop 4-5 times in an afternoon.

Back in Air Warrior if you changed sides you had to wait 24 hours to switch back.  Good rule.  It forced players to make a phreeking decision:  who are you going to play for today.

Yes, there are a small handfull who swap sides for evil intent.  If that doesn't describe you, then no one has a problem with you.  Swap sides from time to time, get to know other people, knock yourself out...no one should begrudge you of that if that's what you like to do.  Others, like Steve seem to like that option.  If that's your bag---go for it.

The original poster (as well as myself) have a problem with the evil minority of side hoppers who do it with evil intent. Closing cross country PM and extending the length of time someone can side hop and get back would help.

What flighty person needs to side hop 4 times in one afternoon?  






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True ... a rambling topic tends to loose it's focus.

I think the reason that some of us (side-switchers) are being vocal is due to the fact that we don't want to be painted with the "broad brush", nor do we want to see those who contemplate switching sides to balance or look for a good fight, not do so because they might be publicly chastised, in game, for doing so.

Also, I don't think that myself, Steve, Corky, and a few others here would ever deny the fact that some use the "side switching" for purposes other than what it is meant for ... I have seen it for myself.
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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #216 on: July 16, 2008, 04:16:07 PM »
I like the ability to PM people from the other country and talk about fights/family/life/stuff like that.  I have a lot of friends in this game flying on the different chess pieces, and I don't feel like hogging 200 as my personal chatroom with them.

In fact I wish more people would use PM's.

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The time limit for switching sides has been fairly recently reduced for a number of well-argued and thought out reasons.  It used to be much longer than it is today, and that is a bad thing.

The side switching is a great tool for people who want to help balance the game out, or try something new.  

It's also good for training purposes.  Once, after a few hours of TA instruction, TC took a classmate and me out for a MA sortie to put the training into practice in the MA environment.  Some of us had to switch countries for awhile.  If one of us had squadnight or something along those lines later on that night, it might have been hard for us to do that.

The good of lessened side switching times (balance, playability, training, comraderie, etc.), outweighs the "bad" (missions coming across opposition).



Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".
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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #217 on: July 16, 2008, 04:20:18 PM »
True ... a rambling topic tends to loose it's focus.

I think the reason that some of us (side-switchers) are being vocal is due to the fact that we don't want to be painted with the "broad brush", nor do we want to see those who contemplate switching sides to balance or look for a good fight, not do so because they might be publicly chastised, in game, for doing so.

Also, I don't think that myself, Steve, Corky, and a few others here would ever deny the fact that some use the "side switching" for purposes other than what it is meant for ... I have seen it for myself.


Slap   :salute


It's still amazing to see the folks who insist they and their squads always switch to the side with the lowest numbers, yet how many times have you seen the exact same people habitually on the side with the largest numbers?





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« Reply #218 on: July 16, 2008, 04:26:41 PM »

Slap   :salute


It's still amazing to see the folks who insist they and their squads always switch to the side with the lowest numbers, yet how many times have you seen the exact same people habitually on the side with the largest numbers?





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Truth be told ... I too will stay on the high number side ... but always be fighting against the second high number side.

Knights ... 100

Rooks ... 85

Bish ... 30

If I log in as a Knight, I will stay there first and check out the Rook front and if the fights are decent and numerous ... I see no need to change.

If both the Knights and Rooks are slamming the Bish ... I will go Bish ... or if the Rooks are ignoring the Knights and slamming the Bish ... I will go Bish.

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PS: Also, if I was flying for the Knights for a couple of hours and decided to jump ... I will more than likely not fight the Knight front for at least a couple of hours.
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Re: Cheating - ** Need for VOX Change **"High Tech Please Read"**
« Reply #219 on: July 16, 2008, 04:27:54 PM »

Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".


It's about both.  If it weren't you would never see another side take your bases.

Why would you want to see your mission chewed up?  I plan and lead lots of missions and if the bombers get chewed up it's impossible to win the objective.






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« Reply #220 on: July 16, 2008, 04:32:06 PM »

Why wouldnt you want your mission to be intercepted? It just creates good fights for everybody. I know I wish every one of my missions was intercepted, So it would be more of a challenge, the games about having fun not "capturing bases".

Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.
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« Reply #221 on: July 16, 2008, 04:35:47 PM »
Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.


Been there--had that happen.





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« Reply #222 on: July 16, 2008, 04:37:15 PM »
Conversly ... If your planned mission was to be stealthy ... and some "griefer" let the cat out of the bag ... then the "fun" of all those who joined the mission has just been ruined ... "fun" is a double edged sword ... it cuts both ways.


I dont mind if its intercepted, but if everyone get a good, fun, fight, and we still dont capture the base, the mission was still succesful. The game is about having FUN.
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« Reply #223 on: July 16, 2008, 05:15:08 PM »
couple of points.

There are obviously people who spy.  Guess it is what they like to do, I have a hard time understanding why they do it, why it is fun, and why the spend time doing it...That said, I have a hard time understanding why people do many things in this game.  However, I can somewhat relate to the feeling that only a small group of people will intentionally set out to grief another group, has happened to many of us.  It may not always being spying, but the method does not so much matter.  It's the lack of respect for the rest of the community.

No one likes to be painted with a broad brush.  No one likes to be falsely accused of things.  On top of that, no one likes to be falsely accused of on-goings that they don't care about to begin with.  When you paint with a broad brush, then add words like liars, bozo's, trouble childhood, loser, etc...you are bound to get some form of response.  You go far beyond how someone plays the game, and start getting into the realm of personal attack.  Many have thick skin and don't get upset, but they aren't going to turn the other cheek either and will gladly play along.

In your example of skyrock above, I've known him for a long time, flown with him in 2 squads and had quite a few conversations with him.  What would have happened if while flying in your mission, someone from his squad had ran into in accidently.  Somehow I have a feeling, though he didn't relay any information, he would have been on the recieving end of more than a few comments.  I just use an example like this to point out, that missions get busted in many ways, some of it is luck, some of it is noticing a quick bar which disappears quickly.  Some of it involves others fanning out and running recon in fast planes.  Sadly this same luck and circumstances can be immediately blown way outta proportion. There are many ways, and just happening to come upon a mission, doesn't mean it was ratted out, no matter how well planned.

As far as being trusted, is just not something I worry about.  In my experience, the few missions I join, I usually made by people I know, who I'd like to fly with, and who are attacking a target that seems fun.  If I joined a mission (very rare), and a bunch of people freaked out, start talking behind my back, making false assumptions and the like, oh well, I'm just not going to be bothered by someone elses paranoia.

In the end, spying is going to be here, as it has been for many many years.  I just don't see the point of trying to take away privilages of 99% of the population, because %1 are idiots.  I personally think there is way to much emphasis on this whole topic, far too many allogations supported by "evidence" victimizes honest people being caught (depending on your view) in the wrong place and the wrong time.  Long post, just wanted to convey my thoughts.

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« Reply #224 on: July 16, 2008, 05:31:03 PM »
Simple question. 

Lets say that side switching was limited to 24 hours.  Who does it benefit and hurt the most?

In all honesty I could care less about missions, base taking or the war.  Outside of scenario play, it means nothing to me.

What happens on those nights when someone like me logs in and I'm a Rook to start that night and the Rooks have 140 players, the Knits have 80 and the Bish have 65.  I've seen it look that way many times with different countries having the numbers on different nights.

How does it improve gameplay if the numbers are stacked on one side, steam rolling a lower numbers country?  Would it not be more fun for those guys to have someone to fight?

Or is the 'war' the only thing that matters, not the fight?

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