Picking: Definition

[FALCONWING]

Ok, i'll grant that "sneaky" is indeed a tactic.  So is "running" when you see bad guys.

so is flying in high with 2-3 wingies in a nikki, SO IS PM'ING POEPLE'S LOCATIONS in Koth...but i guess we all have our own "things to be ashamed off, eh Lute...nudge nudge wink wink...say no more..know what i mean 
I would call it "avoiding" as opposed to sneaking.

But when you DO have enemy show up you are in trouble as you basically don't have a clue what to do when they fight back.  (except to die in droves or continue "sneaking" to the next field where none of them pesky bad guys are)
you must be mentally challenged...or have a completely biased in-game experience.....you DO comprehend that one needs TROOPS to capture a BASE in AH right?   You DO know that the town stays down a very limited time now so it only takes a few determined defenders to prevent a base take???  And for the missons i have been involved with many more opponents die...but the fact that the opponents field is there...they can reup over and over until they finish the mission off...AGAIN you are remarkably condescending about a style of play you obvious have no insight into.  But then again my experience with your MA style of fighting is a high nikki with wingmen hovering near or inbetween a field.  Tell ya what...why dont you post on ch 200...hey im here with 4 guys at 10k come kill us and see how you do.

But there isn't any "out thinking" what so ever going on w/ this tactic.

well if you show up at the base and the enemy hasnt "thought" to up....hmmm

I supposed you CAN postulate that you are "out thinking" the drones offline when you kill them, or you are "out thinking" the auto ack when you milkrun an undefended field, but let's please quit kidding ourselves by saying there is any strategy involved in a NOE hoard to an undefended field.

if there is no strategy then it cannot work...maybe you need to look up the word "think" and
"strategy".....

Looking at the map and picking a field where there is the least chance for the nme to mount a defence is neither difficult, nor requires much in the way strategy.

Here is a personal challenge to the little generals who like this "sneaky" tactic.  Take the next two weeks, and run missions only towards bases where there is an nme dar bar.  Run the mission right at the large nme dar bar and fight it out for the base, and keep it up untill you take it.
Im sorry...that would be silly and give you pleasure.  Why don't you up spit1s and head into enmey bases low and slow.  Let me know when this is good for you.

THAT takes planning, tactics, and skill.

THAT takes POOR planning, tactics, and skill

[FALCONWING]

Falc, I just came back here to delete/edit that post.  (no point now as it's quoted)

Fly how ya' want.  I hope I didn't come across as "condescending" in the post, as that was not my intention.  You and yours do what ya's find as the most "fun" and have at 'er.
COOL!  Hows about you shut it and quit responding in a derogatory way???

I had just noticed that you have been in a few BBS spats recently on the subject, and I was curious as to why.

(fyi attacking undefended fields en mass and "out thinking" are not apparently connected to me, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how those two go together)
oh never mind here we go again

[FALCONWING]

Falconwng, please read this excellent post about 500 times, then print it out and tape it to the wall beside your toilet so you can read it while you're actually "thinking". No offense intended but, I think it's possible you have lost any sense of objectivity you may have had toward what you are doing on the BBS and in-game. The disparity between what you are actually doing and what you think you are doing is greater than the almost infinite span of the known universe...

I also think you are grossly  misunderstanding the intent of creating debate on these forums. When we debate a topic, it is always with the benevolent intent of ultimately bettering the gaming experience for everyone. Examples will always be drawn from the actual MA experience to illustrate points in order to further the discussion and provide a more concrete basis for comparison. Where you go wrong is taking that as an open invitation to basically hi-jack the thread, rudely critique people's writing style?!?, and generally fling poo in the form of off-topic personal insults. This offers nothing to the community, the thread's debate or yourself. All it does is make you look like an antagonistic dolt and ruins the discussion for the other people that were enjoying it thoroughly up until that point. So, please stop doing it, for your own sake if for no other reason...I am done with you until you choose to stop with this disruptive "thread stalker" behavior...

Take care and have a nice life...

Oh trust me I know why you post your endless drivel...because you are convinced you are somehow smarter than the rest of us.  Unfortunately the minute someone disagrees with you then THEY are wrong.  Dude have you ever missed a thread about countries where you didnt post that crap about "rooks are honorable furballers, bish are toolshedders and knights are somewhere inbetween"????  I dont always respond to you because it is so overly simplistic it defies reason.  I always hope that since you have posted the same poor prose for years, that you might be struck with a unique or valid thought...an insight if you will...

So continue to use your second account and be proud of yourself...really i am still shaking my head over that one

[mechanic]

falc if youre going to triple post at least have the decency to have bouncing breats in your avatar

[Getback]

Some of that they use to call Fight vulcing. I remember someone jumped me once and called me a vulcher among other things. I told him to be quieit, I vulched you fair and square.

If I see 3 guys on one plane I stay out for the most part especially if I have alt. I figure my duty becomes protecting them from being vulched.

When you see 6 or 7 guys on one con and and a full dar of enemy coming those 6 or 7 are as good as dead.

[WMLute]

so is flying in high with 2-3 wingies in a nikki, SO IS PM'ING POEPLE'S LOCATIONS in Koth...but i guess we all have our own "things to be ashamed off, eh Lute...nudge nudge wink wink...say no more..know what i mean

Actually, the above two statments is proof beyond anything else just how ignorant you are.  There isn't even the slightest shred of fact in either of the above statments.

I guess the "niki" comment boils down to the fact you dont' have a clue how someone could fly and fight w/o many wingmen to bail you out, being that you yourself have to fly in a pack to stay alive or die quickly. 

You're an easy kill.

Always have been, and apparently always will be.

Me on the other hand you will typically find nose on to the nearest large nme dar bar, solo more times than not, getting kills, and landing them.  It's more common to find me fighting 2-4 nme's solo than the other way around.  (something you will probably never be able to say)

As far as the KOTH bit, it has been discussed in public about as much as I am willing to have it, and "take" on it is 100% wrong.  In fact, lemme take a moment to comment just how retarded that accusation is.  During a KOTH, if you need a players location, you simply type .wingman (player ID) and voila, you now have their location.  The whole idea that anybody would have to "p.m." a players location when one can simply .wingman them is ludicrious.  It is open information that can be had at any time by any player.  'Bout all I am gonna say on that subject.

Tell ya what...why dont you post on ch 200...hey im here with 4 guys at 10k come kill us and see how you do.

I'd do, and have done, quite well actually.  Don't ya' wish you could say the same?

you DO comprehend that one needs TROOPS to capture a BASE in AH right?   You DO know that the town stays down a very limited time now so it only takes a few determined defenders to prevent a base take???

My point exactly.  Surround yourself with dweebs that have little to no clue how to fight, and just a few defenders WILL prevent your massive hoard from taking a base.  There is a reason I can take a field when we are outnumbered, or vs. even odds, and you and yours will fail almost every time in that same situaion.  That is the downside to flying only in huge packs and never really figuring out how to fight, when some opponents do show up, you fail because you and yours never acumulated the skill to fight it out.  Which is why more times than not, you will move on.  Not because that base CAN'T be taken, but it can't be taken by you and yours.

Me on the other hand, i'm generally the one outnumbered, both on offence and defence, yet still manage to be successfull.  Again, there is a reason that is true, but I doubt you'll ever figure it out.  (at least you've not been able to in the years that i've known ya')  We DID the "try to stop the BOP hoard on squad night" thing in the past.  I had half (or less) of your numbers and stopped you cold all night.  In fact, IIRC y'all lost a base.

Let's just agree to disagree m'kay?  You obviously are never going to "get it" and it is really is a shame.  Stick with your tactics of avoiding fights and keep dying in droves when I or others like me up defend.  It's a win-win situation really.  I get 20-30 planes dying many times over and tons of kills, you and yours eventually get the field capture from sheer numbers alone and can high five and smack each others backsides saying "WTG" to cover up the fact 5-10 planes slaughered your 20-30 for the past hour.

[FALCONWING]

WMLute you are a hypocrite...alwys have been always will be....i may not have mastered the art of the virtual cartoon airplane as much as you have...but see i play this as a game and NOT as a "way of life"....

I may be an easy kill for some but for MOST I am not...I'm okay with that...I dont think you would be....but then i didnt help cheat at KoTH as long as you may have..,,perhaps you have other boundaries you cross as well...all im saying...
(actually see below post as well)

What IS clear is you exposing yourself....you don't like other peoples tactics....you think you KNOW the right and wrong way to play.  You are pompous about it and I called you out and know you don't like it.  Sorry bud,,,try this...stay out of threads you dont know anything about....and if you join in do it honestly and stop pretending to ask a question that is really an insult.  May work better.

Then we can continue what I already do to you in the MA...ignore you (and get a giggle when i find your little pick crew over a base and nail a few of you).  See I fly for fun and comraderie...thats it...when either stops so will I. But it wont be from idiots who have a RIGHT and WRONG way to play a video game.

[FALCONWING]

Actually, the above two statments is proof beyond anything else just how ignorant you are.  There isn't even the slightest shred of fact in either of the above statments.

besides kicking your butt and wrags, proploss in encounters I have no idea

I guess the "niki" comment boils down to the fact you dont' have a clue how someone could fly and fight w/o many wingmen to bail you out, being that you yourself have to fly in a pack to stay alive or die quickly. 

yeah..you can always be high in a uber turner with huge cannon and have 2 -3 guys to help you...<cough> <cough>


As far as the KOTH bit, it has been discussed in public about as much as I am willing to have it, and "take" on it is 100% wrong.  In fact, lemme take a moment to comment just how retarded that accusation is.  During a KOTH, if you need a players location, you simply type .wingman (player ID) and voila, you now have their location.  The whole idea that anybody would have to "p.m." a players location when one can simply .wingman them is ludicrious.  It is open information that can be had at any time by any player.  'Bout all I am gonna say on that subject.

Thought the screen shots spoke for themselves..i agree you have NOTHING remaining to say about it


Let's just agree to disagree m'kay?  You obviously are never going to "get it" and it is really is a shame.  Stick with your tactics of avoiding fights and keep dying in droves when I or others like me up defend.  It's a win-win situation really.  I get 20-30 planes dying many times over and tons of kills, you and yours eventually get the field capture from sheer numbers alone and can high five and smack each others backsides saying "WTG" to cover up the fact 5-10 planes slaughered your 20-30 for the past hour.

All i can say after a quick review of your personal and sqauds score is WTG.  You are truly a score dweeb!!!  You are the number 2 Bomber!!!  AMAZING!  Your squad has 4 captures in attack mode!!!!  Wow...were the troops in a nikki??? You have damage in ground vehicle mode...wow!!!  So I am getting crap from a score dweeb who orchestrates captures in "attack" mode.  Your a gamer WmLute...embrace it...own it...and be careful...your soapbox is VERY VERY flimsy.

[Zazen13]

Lute please stop feeding the troll. He will quickly lose interest and return to eating babies and furiously spanking-off instead of inflicting upon us contorted artifacts of his cruelly tortured and psychopathically paranoid psyche...

[mechanic]

 Maybe my opinion is wrong but here is it anyhow. Falcon or Lute are not the 'best stick in the game' in a pure dogfighting sense. Both of them have alot to say on the forum.
 
 Lute you are just as likely to get in on a vulch fest as falcon is, except when you do it is oppertunistic as you personally did not take the time to fly a mission there. Most of us will get in on the dweeb action if we get a chance, the peak time MA is chaos and only the cunning survive. You are here trying to pass yourself off as some die hard furballer when in reality Falc is right, you do enjoy playing for rank all accross the board this is evident from your score cards. But why do you feel ashamed to admit that if you enjoy it?

 The one big difference I see is that while Falcon does play with a large group of friends and often partakes in 'dweeby' MA tactics he has NEVER ONCE lied about it or tried to pretend he is something he is not. I have been shot down by falcon in the thickest of furballs but i dont mind...when i shoot him down he does not ever have or need an excuse.

Why not sort it out with a few friendly duels in some crappy ride and see if you can learn to like each other for the things you share about the game.

S! to you both, honesty is my weakness at times, so dont take this post as anything more than my honest opinion.

[dentin]

falc if youre going to triple post at least have the decency to have bouncing breats in your avatar

   Gotta love it !!

[WMLute]

Maybe my opinion is wrong but here is it anyhow. Falcon or Lute are not the 'best stick in the game' in a pure dogfighting sense. Both of them have alot to say on the forum.
 
 Lute you are just as likely to get in on a vulch fest as falcon is, except when you do it is oppertunistic as you personally did not take the time to fly a mission there. Most of us will get in on the dweeb action if we get a chance, the peak time MA is chaos and only the cunning survive. You are here trying to pass yourself off as some die hard furballer when in reality Falc is right, you do enjoy playing for rank all accross the board this is evident from your score cards. But why do you feel ashamed to admit that if you enjoy it?

 The one big difference I see is that while Falcon does play with a large group of friends and often partakes in 'dweeby' MA tactics he has NEVER ONCE lied about it or tried to pretend he is something he is not. I have been shot down by falcon in the thickest of furballs but i dont mind...when i shoot him down he does not ever have or need an excuse.

Why not sort it out with a few friendly duels in some crappy ride and see if you can learn to like each other for the things you share about the game.

S! to you both, honesty is my weakness at times, so dont take this post as anything more than my honest opinion.

Here are my "ranks" for that past year, starting with last month.
192
60
801 (still moving)
803 (moving)
189
72
192
126
17
13
38
65

Now THIS month i'm ranked 9th or some such thing.  The ONLY thing I did diff. is I flew a goon a couple times early in the month and got a bomber capture or two which is rare for me.  You really want me in the air in a fighter instead of a goon, but nobody else was avail so I flew it.  Take out the two months I was moving and I average @ 100 ish for "rank" during the past year.  At any time the past year (or three) I could have flown a goon or 2 and gotten in the top 10-20.  (the two month i'm 13th and 17th I had 2 bomber captures)  I have what... 6 ish bomber captures for the past year?  I could really care less about my rank.

I have done zip to get a "low rank".  Nothing.  Nada.  I neither try to get a low rank, nor do a single thing to 'get' a low rank.  Rank is a joke, and in my whole squad there is maybe ONE person who gives a flip about it.  If we talk at all about "scores" it's about k/d ratios, not overall rank.  It is rare for me to even look to see what my rank is.  Now stats I pay some attention to, but overall rank?  Not really no.

I also have never tried to pass myself off as a diehard furballer.  I love a fight, I really do.  I'd rather loose a great fight than win 20 ezy ones.  I ALSO love a good base take.  'Good' being one you have to fight for.  No fun if they don't at least TRY to fight back.  In a perfect world I get a nice prolonged base defence vs. a hoard that turns into a huge fight where we push them back to their field and end up capturing it...  now THAT is fun to me.

I enjoy most facets of this game, and I wouldn't put myself in any one catagory.  (I even GV somewhat, but find spawn camping a trifle "dull") 

BUT to say I fly for rank, care about rank, or do anything at all to achieve a low rank is just "silly".

(just about as dumb as anybody saying I "cheated" in KOTH.  the whole concept is rediculous)