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Offline evenhaim

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #255 on: August 11, 2008, 04:08:50 PM »
Vonmessa all loss of life is bad, but when it is planned imo it is much worse, in the hand of the perpetrator.


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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #256 on: August 11, 2008, 04:17:41 PM »
I can't believe this thread has reached 11 pages dealing with a 'no-brainer' issue.  It's offensive, period.  It was a military unit that supported and swore allegiance to Hitler.  Why this has to be debated is rather moronic.


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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #257 on: August 11, 2008, 04:46:21 PM »
(Playing devils advocate)

If we're into banning squads that committed unreasonable war actions, do we start banning Allied bomber squads that carpet bombed CITIES that targeted people directly with incendiaries? This included the targeting of civilians of Tokyo and Dresden.   In war, we often cannot say what is right and wrong because we always look through rose coloured lenses.   Had the Allies lost the war, I'm sure history would paint us as evil doers too, especially the commanders and squadrons that partook in some of our own questionable tactics.  But we won.  Dresden was a murder of over 40,000 civilians, Tokyo over 100,000.  But this is different.

The difference is the nature of the SS - they were uncharacteristically brutal hence our knee-jerk reaction to the Waffen SS squad.  It was a known evil assassin squad in WWII. To recreate it now is accepting them into our gaming family.  That is not acceptable.

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #258 on: August 11, 2008, 06:38:35 PM »
(Playing devils advocate)

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You have bottles to clean and changing tables to set up.  Let this thread die.

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #259 on: August 11, 2008, 07:41:57 PM »
Frickn "AvA" people :rolleyes:

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #260 on: August 12, 2008, 06:50:03 AM »
Vonmessa all loss of life is bad, but when it is planned imo it is much worse, in the hand of the perpetrator.


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When that many lives are lost, it is ALWAYS planned, as well as, atrocious.  How well planned makes no difference.  Once at that point, I don't think there really is a distinction of more or less wrong.
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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #261 on: August 12, 2008, 06:59:09 AM »
When that many lives are lost, it is ALWAYS planned, as well as, atrocious.  How well planned makes no difference.  Once at that point, I don't think there really is a distinction of more or less wrong.

Dude, I really think everyone on all sides have said more then enough now, time to let this end.

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #262 on: August 12, 2008, 07:06:17 AM »
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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #263 on: August 12, 2008, 07:07:55 AM »
Dude, I really think everyone on all sides have said more then enough now, time to let this end.

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« Reply #264 on: August 12, 2008, 07:12:49 AM »
Almost 2 weeks and 18 pages and you haven't put your 2 cents in?
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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #265 on: August 12, 2008, 04:43:36 PM »
It's a long reply... I'm about 1/3rd of the way done. Keep this thread going another 4 weeks, please.

Here, I'll help out:

Pilot A: The Waffen SS did some truly atrocious things. I think it's in poor taste to allow a squad named after them.
Pilot B: The Americans bought Manhattan from the Indians for only 24 beads! Therefore the Waffen weren't really so bad after all! My internal morality compass is working just fine!

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« Reply #266 on: August 12, 2008, 04:58:12 PM »
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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #267 on: August 12, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »
Your an Idiot

That is your contribution to discussion?  You dont have to agree, but calling one names because you cant come up with anything other than a populist view is idiotic in its own right.  Stop and open a book (a non-picture book) once in a while and look at things from the acedemic side of things (which means to put your personal opinions aside) instead of a populist side.  You might learn something. 

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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #268 on: August 12, 2008, 05:36:59 PM »
Are you sure about that?
Edit: In overall figures your probably right. However if we were to include concentration camps in which SS played a role, we would come up with similar numbers I believe.
But that is besides the point. I do not believe a pilot dropping bombs on a city holds the same responsibility as a soldier shooting a civilian at point blank range. Not all of those pilots would be able to do the second, however all of those SS members in question would be able to do the first.

You know when we fire bombed Tokyo in one night we killed a estimated 100 thousand people mostly civilians. This was before we dropped the two nukes. Now granted the pilots didn't hold guns to any one's heads and pull a trigger but they damn sure knew what they were doing.

Remember those judged for war crimes are always the losers. The ones who win never get judged. Granted I know the Germans did more than their far share of war crimes, but then again so did every country. The US killed hundreds of thousands with bomber raids. The nazi's had death camps and so on. The Japanese killed many captured soldiers as well as many civilians in China among other places. ect..ect.. all side commited crimes in one form or another but only the losers get judged for them.
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Re: Waffen SS Squad?
« Reply #269 on: August 12, 2008, 06:40:53 PM »
Well, I guess it is offensive in some ways, to some ppl...
To others not....

There are other squad names that make reference to
SS units, Totenkopf, etc...

If ya get rid of one, ya gotta get rid of the rest too...

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