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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1290 on: August 17, 2008, 05:53:43 PM »
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Keep telling yourself that US killed 4 million Vietnamese to bring them "freedom and democracy" and that you brought peace and prosperity to Iraq.

And watch BBC, they are a new Discovery channel, Discovery roadkill, no subscription fee.

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« Reply #1291 on: August 17, 2008, 06:18:24 PM »
I have told many times that I am all for Totalitarianism. How can anyone leave vital decision to uneducated crowd?

Yes, we can see that very clearly. :D

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« Reply #1292 on: August 17, 2008, 06:19:31 PM »
Keep telling yourself that US killed 4 million Vietnamese to bring them "freedom and democracy" and that you brought peace and prosperity to Iraq.

And watch BBC, they are a new Discovery channel, Discovery Bullpoop, no subscription fee.

Did Stalin kill 62 mill... 3 million of his own countrymen to bring them freedom and democracy?

Does the USSR (who supported the north in Vietnam) share no responsibility at all in the deaths there?
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« Reply #1293 on: August 17, 2008, 06:28:55 PM »
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Keep telling yourself that US killed 4 million Vietnamese

Keep telling yourself that.   :lol
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« Reply #1294 on: August 17, 2008, 06:31:00 PM »
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Does the USSR (who supported the north in Vietnam) share no responsibility at all in the deaths there?

Of course not....not even all of Boroda's uncles and cousins that were merely advisors and technicians for SAM batteries (3 of whom made *Ace* killing American capitalist pig aircrafts) are responsible for anything.
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« Reply #1295 on: August 17, 2008, 06:52:16 PM »
Did Stalin kill 62 mill... 3 million of his own countrymen to bring them freedom and democracy?

Does the USSR (who supported the north in Vietnam) share no responsibility at all in the deaths there?

~4 millions is a total number of people deprived of freedom for political reasons in 21-56. Death toll was 100 times less then that moron wrote.

At the same period of time US govt saw no prob using machine-guns on protesters, and fabricating cases like Sacco-Vancetti.


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« Reply #1296 on: August 17, 2008, 07:07:29 PM »
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At the same period of time US govt saw no prob using machine-guns on protesters


LINKS PLEASE!

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« Reply #1297 on: August 17, 2008, 07:08:12 PM »
I told you Rich.

You can't handle the truth about your own country Boroda. I can handle the truth about mine and admit when mine has made mistakes.

Go to this link, you will see atrocities listed by both sides. I copy/pasted a couple from your country.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_axis.html#Germany

GANG RAPE IN NEMMERSDORF

Just inside the east Prussian border with Soviet occupied Lithuania, the town of Nemmersdorf was the first to fall (temporarily) into the hands of the victorious Red Army. Overrun by General Gatlitsky's 11th Guards Army, his soldiers, crazy with bloodlust, set about raping, looting and killing with such ferocity that eventually discipline had to be restored to force the soldiers back to fighting the war. From buildings, Russian signs were hung which read 'Soldiers! Majdanek does not forgive. Take revenge without mercy!'. When the Soviet 4th Army took over the town five days later, hardly a single inhabitant remained alive. Women were found nailed to barn doors after being stripped naked and gang raped, their bodies then used for target practice. Many women, and girls as young as eight years old, were raped so often and brutally that they died from this abuse alone. Children were shot indiscriminately and all those trying to flee were crushed to death under the treads of the Soviet tanks. Forty French prisoners-of-war were shot on the spot as spies after welcoming the Red Army as liberators. Seventy one women and one man were found in houses, all dead. All the women, including girls aged from eight to twelve, had been raped.

In other East Prussian villages within the triangle Gumbinnen-Goldap-Ebenrode, the same scenes were witnessed, old men and boys being castrated and their eyes gouged out before being killed or burned alive. In nearby Metgethen, a suburb of Königsberg, recaptured by the German 5th Panzer Division, around 60 women were found in a demented state in a large villa. They had been raped on average 60 to 70 times a day. In nearly every home, the bodies of women and children were found raped and murdered. The bodies of two young women were found, their legs had been tied one limb each between two trucks, and then torn apart when the trucks were driven away in opposite directions. At Metgethen railway station, a refugee train from Konigsberg, consisting of seven passenger coaches, was found and in each compartment seven to nine bestially mutilated bodies were discovered. To the Russians, refugee trains were ideal sources of women and booty. In the town of Niesse in Silesia, 182 Catholic nuns were raped and debauched daily by the Russians.

In a house in another town children were found sitting around a dinner table, plates of potato pancakes in front of them. All were dead, their tongues nailed to the table. Soviet officers reported back to Moscow that mass poisoning from captured alcohol, including dangerous chemicals found in laboratories, is damaging the fighting capacity of the Red Army. All too often, soldiers who had drunk too much and were unable to perform the sex act, used the bottle to mutilate their victims obscenely. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, an ex-captain in the Soviet Army, recalls, "All of us knew very well that if girls were German they could be raped and then shot. This was almost a combat distinction" (Details of these, and other atrocities, are contained in the Eastern Documentation Section of the German Federal Archives in Berlin)

The orgy of rape by Soviet troops was far greater than at first believed. Even Russian women and young girls, newly liberated from concentration camps in Poland and in Germany, were brutally violated. The thousands of Russian women taken to Germany for forced labour also fell victims to the rapists. 'I waited for the Red Army for days and nights. I waited for my liberation, but now our soldiers treat us far worse than the Germans did' said one Maria Shapoval,'They do terrible things to us'.


roadkill is your way of thinking, as well as ignorance, and it;s a statement.

Take a look at this, your favorite Wikipedia, but with all the sources and multiple proof other then nazi Propaganda ministry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemmersdorf_massacre

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After 1991 and the fall of the Soviet Union, new sources became available and the dominant view among scholars became that the massacre was embellished, and actually exploited, by Goebbels in an attempt to stir up civilian resistance to the advancing Soviet Army. Bernhard Fisch, in his book Nemmersdorf, October 1944. What actually happened in East Prussia (the first book to also include the Russian view of the event) was the first to present this picture of the events. Fisch, an East Prussian and a soldier at the time, had been in Nemmersdorf a few days after it was re-taken, and remembered a totally different scene from the one depicted by the Wochenschau.[11] He interviewed many witnesses still alive on both sides (e.g., Soviet General Kuzma N. Galitsky, former commander of 11th Guards Army) and crossing out faulty memories against each other, he found out some disturbing details: the German army itself was responsible for destroying the strong German defensive position in front of Nemmersdorf (so the whole affair may even have been a trap, planned from the very start), and after the event no attempt had been made to identify the photographed victims by name. He was able to conclude that liberties were taken with at least some of the photographs, that some victims on the photographs were from other East Prussian villages, and that the notorious crucifixion barn doors were not even in Nemmersdorf. There also was the tight time schedule of witness Joachim Reisch, reducing the Soviet presence at Nemmersdorf to less than four hours of heavy fighting in front of the bridge.

Even you nazi admireres have to admit it was a fake.

LOL Nemmersdorf is a well-known symbol of nazi propaganda roadkill. Staged "war crimes".

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« Reply #1298 on: August 17, 2008, 07:10:52 PM »
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4 millions is a total number of people deprived of freedom for political reasons in 21-56.

In over 200 years the USA has never deprived a single citizen of freedom for purely political reasons.
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« Reply #1299 on: August 17, 2008, 07:15:23 PM »
:rofl

say what?

Everyone know that and I have 3 books in Russian about it. With first hand accounts from people after they have been shot to death. :D

Seriously now, did I open your eyes on that sad fact?! Chicago riots 1886 is the first such occasion I can remember out of my head when US used firearms (not machine guns though) on protesters. Later it became a common practice, especially in 1929-1933. "Everyone knows that!" (tm).


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« Reply #1300 on: August 17, 2008, 07:16:42 PM »
In over 200 years the USA has never deprived a single citizen of freedom for purely political reasons.

LOL 100,000+ ethnic Japanese in 1941.

Angela Davis, Leonard Peltier, should I continue?


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« Reply #1301 on: August 17, 2008, 07:19:53 PM »
~4 millions is a total number of people deprived of freedom for political reasons in 21-56. Death toll was 100 times less then that moron wrote.

At the same period of time US govt saw no prob using machine-guns on protesters, and fabricating cases like Sacco-Vancetti.



So I'm googling 'Machine gun protesters USA 1920... Battle of Matewan - Blair mountain.. is that what your talking about?

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On May 19, 1920 ten people were killed at Matewan in the deadliest gunfight in American history. The battle of Matewan, popularly dubbed the "Matewan massacre," was an integral part of the fight for industrial democracy and workers' rights that was sweeping the country.

Or was it the follow on, the battle of Blair Mountain?
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In late August and September of 1921, the largest armed rebellion in the U.S. since the Civil War was mounted in the coalfields of southern West Virginia. Union coal miners gathered, in numbers estimated anywhere from 5,000 to 10,000 strong, outside of Charleston. Local sheriff's forces under the authority of Sheriff Don Chafin and ultimately Federal troops were sent in to quash the rebellion. Up to 30 deaths were reported by Chafin’s side and 50-100 on the union miners side

You object to inflated figures by a factor of 15 or 20, calling the historian 'that moron' and then you equate 10 to 100 to 4,000,000? :huh

 

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« Reply #1302 on: August 17, 2008, 07:23:05 PM »
"LOL 100,000+ ethnic Japanese in 1941." - we staged the attack on Pearl Harbor too for just this purpose... good grief  :lol

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« Reply #1303 on: August 17, 2008, 07:24:59 PM »
LOL 100,000+ ethnic Japanese in 1941.

Angela Davis, Leonard Peltier, should I continue?

I am going to list by name those deprived in the USSR.

Does anybody have a 1988 Moscow phone book I could borrow?
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« Reply #1304 on: August 17, 2008, 07:27:19 PM »
"LOL 100,000+ ethnic Japanese in 1941." - we staged the attack on Pearl Harbor too for just this purpose... good grief  :lol

He has a point with the Japanese internment.

They lost their property and their freedom for the war years, and most did not get their property back.

Uncle Joe would have killed them.

Uncle Sam apologised.
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