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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2000, 08:05:00 AM »
vermillion why are sick of seeing so many chogs? why are there so many chogs? why are there so many more chogs since 104? why do you dislike chogs? why are chog hispanos seemingly more effective than same guns on typhoon? why can chogs hit me out to 900 when ive never been been hit by spits or typhoons out to that range?

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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2000, 08:14:00 AM »
Man some of you guys are dense.

The Chog IS an abomination!
(utterly loathsome, detestable for those of you in RioLinde).

It is THE Pandoras box.

Adding it to the plane set in AcesHigh, without restriction (perk) or RPS was irrisponsible to gameplay.

Sorry Pyro, your brilliant but even Einstein
made tracks in his undies.

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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2000, 08:22:00 AM »
 
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Adding it to the plane set in AcesHigh, without restriction (perk) or RPS was irrisponsible to gameplay.

This from Yeager who is 277 and 175 since tour 1? What is your agenda? Obviously you have no problem killing it. I am with Cobra. It is the pilot. I am a mediocre pilot at best and I get my arse handed to me on a regular basis when I fly the C Corsair. Yeager, you have done it numerous times as you are well aware  

Now the typhoon is another matter all together  . I actually have a poistive k/d in that.

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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2000, 08:44:00 AM »
Comeon, Rip,
It's easy kill in a Yak - wait tll p51 runs out of WEP and u got it.

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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2000, 09:19:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Show me documentation that the F4U-1C was considered ineffective because of jamming problems. I bet you can't find it. Mostly because I have documentation that says that the Navy was VERY happy with the Hispano, and they couldn't get enough of them.


Scanner not working well, but I suggest you to read Lt. Joe D. Robins, pilot of the VBF-8, and the F4U1-C in the book "corsair aces of WWII". I have the book translated into spanish, but I simply refuse to come here and write (again) what we all know: that in 25-April 1945 the hispanos on the Chog still were freezing over 15000 feet, and that the gun reliability was simply abysmal.


 
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Then Quit ! Oh wait...  you done that about 6 times already. But each time you come back within the week.

And now your too scared to even fly under your own name. Be a man. If your going to spout consistent misinformation and pure crap (which you feel is your right), at least be man enough to stand up and take whatever repercussions it causes. Not hiding and skulking around under some other assumed name.

Never thought I'd say this, verm. But you are an idiot, plain and simple. I left AH ONCE -ONE time-, for nearly a month. And I came under a new handle. You all placed bets on that RAM would last 20 minutes in MA without yelling. Well you missed. You missed by A LOT.

I dont have the need to fly under my ex-handle. First of all because I know of the "hunting groups" formed on me in hte MA, second because I pay for having fun, and there is enough annoying things in the MA to have to face a bunch of nazi guys that can't stand someone who wont allow them to shut him up.

Lastly, if you **REALLY** think that the hispanos were SO magnificent guns that allowed to fire 200 rpg non-stop without melting the breech, nor jamming, nor stopping the plane dead in the air, then explain me why the standard 20mm gun after the war was based on a german desing and not the SUperDuperHispano one.


The Mauser (and ShVak's) are plenty deadly if you get them on target. No, they're not as accurate at range as the Hispanos. But thats the way it should be.


Oh yea, and 50 cals are plenty deadly if you put a 2 second burst on target. Go to hell, Verm, we are talking about 1-2 ping FATAL DAMAGE here.


 
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But continuously whinning about them, in the manner you do, doesn't help the matter one bit.

Of course. What should I do?. See how one ping kills repeatedly my engine and shut up? whatever.

Verm, I really thought you had some more decency. Anyone who resorts to personal attacks to refute and discredite (sp?) someone's opinions is a nazi in my book.

I have nothing more to say to you.
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Fact is: in WWII Hispanos were known for:

1-Jamming
2-Overheating in sustained bursts
3-Freezing over 15000 feet

and for:

1-high muzzle vel.
2-Heavy projectile with good ballistics.

I simply think that the two latter things are "TOO" well represented in AH, while the 3 former ARE NOT EVEN SHOWN HERE.

So, get rid of the F4U1-c or give us a REALISTIC hispano, please.

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2000, 09:23:00 AM »
Well its quite obvious the P-51 is no problem seeing as how everybody is squeaking about the C-hog now, guess the 51 aint so bad after all eh?  

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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2000, 09:34:00 AM »
Ram, you do realize that one 'ping' on your FE can represent betwen 5-10 bullets , don't you?

Tell that to the B26 that flew away blissfully after I got a full deflection shot into his fuselage with 100 rounds of Hispano 20mm.  

And they already toned down the guns in V1.03.  I believe you whiners are just trying to eliminate every A/C that is deemed a threat to your precious ride.  Plain and simple.

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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2000, 09:40:00 AM »
 
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Geesh guys, stay away from the business end of any lead projectile. What's so hard about that?

The problem with this is a chog pilot if he can get his nose anywhere near you and spray has a VERY good chance of killing the plane. And most of the Chog pilots will do exactly that. They will pull hard and kill E to get just within the 1k range to do it. Or they will pull straight up on a plane with a 5-10k alt advantage and risk stalling just to spray those hispanos at the plane because they know that they have an excellent chance of a one ping kill.

Now granted I'm one of those 51 pilots.. and I'm actually a horrible flyer, but even I can tell you there is something wrong with the hispanos.

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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2000, 09:55:00 AM »
So, bane, put your money where your mouth is.  Hearsay doesn't do squat, facts and data do.

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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2000, 09:55:00 AM »
This 1 ping kill you guys are speaking of is BS. You don't hear nor see all the hits! Ain't gonna happen. Been this way in these games a long time and most of ya know it. Think back, how many times have you been shot down by a buff's turbolasers and only heard 1 ping? Alot, but you know, intellectually, that 1 hit from a .50 ain't gonna blow you up, so you live with it.

I do see now why I don't get many kills in the hog. Based on Bane's post, I've been flying it wrong, lol.

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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2000, 10:06:00 AM »
Lets put this clear. each time I get shot down in that way (few pings or even single ping), I go private and ask the guy who shot me down.

Yesterday I asked both guys in private. Both had seen only one ping in their FE.

Is true that a couple of times I had heard only a ping the guy asked answered he had got a lot of them. A couple of times.

But most times I hear few pings, they are few pings. I always take care to ask it in private. I will start taking screenshots of the questions and asnwers so you can see it.

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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2000, 10:08:00 AM »
Like a bunch of drug addicts you Chog abusers!

Get a life and fly something sporting!

Gameboys!  Jeepers!

Got film?  Hehehe

Ripsnort you are my QCD:  Queen Chog Dweeb!

LOL    

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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2000, 10:09:00 AM »
hehe

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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2000, 10:20:00 AM »
 
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So, bane, put your money where your mouth is. Hearsay doesn't do squat, facts and data do.

Well I can't put data or whatever you'd like other than films because I'm not an avid wwII history buff with books and books on planes their flight dynamics, their gun ballistics, what they should be able to do what they shouldn't be able to do.

all I know is I fly the same way against just about every plane in the arena and I do pretty well with the exception of the Chog. If you like check my stats against all the planes in tour 10. You will find that I have a 1:1 k/d ratio against almost every plane with the odd exception of maybe a .8/1 here and there but most are very close to each other. The one exception is my k/d against the chog which is 1/2 or so. Why is this?

I use the engage and disengage tactics you use so why the huge difference?

Bane

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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2000, 10:20:00 AM »
See what single-minded perception can do Yeager?  I fly the D hog in ATA, and the Chog in ATG.  

BTW, when in a furball, I always go for "Big Blues" first since they are the easiest to shoot down.  Only gurly men have a problem with them.  Not me.  

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