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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2008, 03:09:22 PM »
kaw.. I see what you are trying to say..  I just saying that for the most part.. you don't have a point.   You are wrong in your conclusion that the people didn't really need to drive so this proves it.   If gas went up to $1,000 gallon that would reduce use too... It would not be a healthy reduction.

Some of this reduction is not healthy.. many places that depend on tourism are hurt.  People quit visiting friends and relatives..  people don't buy as much because of shipping costs.   

Yes.. we can all get along with less.. the great depression proved that.. this proves nothing other than things are not as good as they were.

Oh..  and I drove the Healey today..  I think it gets about the same MPG as the elky.   Broke the clutch linkage..  With Hot rods.. the price of the gas is not the major cost.

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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2008, 04:08:00 PM »
when it comes right down to it comrade...  How much do we really NEED anyway?   Soviet russians did without a whole lot of things.. like cars entirely and a home of their own.

We don't NEED to go on vacations or take a drive out into the country.   We don't NEED to visit relatives.

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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2008, 09:53:52 AM »
exactly..   many peoples get along fine without toilet paper and if it cost $1,000 a roll we would see a reduction of toilet paper use here...   proving that your finger is just as good and you don't NEED toilet paper comrade.

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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2008, 10:18:03 AM »
Heck, rich people don't need all that money either. By rich I mean anyone living reasonably comfortable not on the government's teat. Do we really want people having that much freedom and independence? Do they really need that extravagant bourgeoisie life style? We all know that only leads to exploitation and abuse of the lower classes. Of course our illustious leaders must be afforded the best of everything so they can remain immune from corruption. Viva la revolucion!
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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2008, 10:39:04 AM »
I don't NEED toliet paper.

Right on!


I swore off the stuff a year ago and all is great!  Sure people point at me but I don't mind.  Sure I use more laundry detergent but thats fine.  On the plus side, the extra "attachment point" keeps my nuts from chaffing so its a net win!  As long as I don't get too sweaty I can avoid those embarrassing trickles down my leg.  I sure love living with less :rock

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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2008, 11:47:23 AM »
I have a point...my point is that we are using less fuel...why?...because prices were high.
Now my point is, because of these high prices people are conserving.. less demand...
lower prices...And if people keep doing that, prices will stay somewhat reasonable.
 And if the trend continues we will use less and less oil...prices across the boards will go
down...see what I'm saying...toilet paper and oil are apples and oranges

 And because of high prices...it light a fire under our inventors arses to find different ways for
energy.
 Do you realize that oil is not made just for production of gas???


Are you saying these points are not a positive?  I think they are.
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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2008, 01:14:40 PM »
Right on!


I swore off the stuff a year ago and all is great!  Sure people point at me but I don't mind.  Sure I use more laundry detergent but thats fine.  On the plus side, the extra "attachment point" keeps my nuts from chaffing so its a net win!  As long as I don't get too sweaty I can avoid those embarrassing trickles down my leg.  I sure love living with less :rock

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Re: Biggest drop in U.S. oil demand in 26 years
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2008, 01:23:36 PM »
Are you saying these points are not a positive?  I think they are.

In theory, prices are a matter of supply and demand.  If we drop our demand then supply goes up and prices come down to stimulate sales... right?  Not necessarily.  If our demand goes down and other, growing countries like China continues to increase demand and their subsidies continue to offset increased prices it negates our sacrifice.  If our good buddies at OPEC et al decide to reduce supply prices remain high as well.  We don't live in a vacuum.  In a world economy you are subject to market manipulation by external forces.   We are foolishly entangled in a fools game.  What is good is cheap, reliable power for all.  It does not matter if that economy is based of oil or not.  It simply needs to be cheap and most of all, reliable.

There is plenty of power in the universe and "doing without" is pointless within itself.  It is a way to strike back against market manipulators but they can counter you.  What the US really needs to is to dump its addiction to cheap oil and a solid commitment to developing a cheap and reliable source of power that is not subject to the whims of those who will exploit or kill us.