What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?

[FrodeMk3]

not knowing too much about the area, or if or not it is very important to the US...........


if it's not an important area to the US, we should stay out.....at least appear to stay out. let europe handle their own problems for now. we're extended far enough with iraq, and afganastan.

 if it is.........i don't know really.........

I disagree, im only a teenager and odnt understand the world like many adults may, but after seeing, from my eyes, how little progress we have made in the War on Terrorism, I feel the last thing the US needs is to be helping another country with thier headaches when we can barly maagae our own as a country. just my sight of it through the eyes of a boy my age

CAP, Uberslet...I'd probably think the same way myself...Hell, I still think that Iraq is a Massive mistake (and this thing in Georgia right now is one of the reasons) But you guys' do know, that the Georgians' were the 3rd largest contributor of troops' to our war in Iraq?

Are we going to turn our back on an allied nation that contributed 2,000 of their sons and daughters' to OUR cause???

I'll tell you this right now. If we let Georgia fall, Not only will the Euros' be vindicated in their anti-U.S. stances, but they could become our enemies' outright. Why? Because if the U.S. isn't gonna come to their aid because the big, bad, ol' Russia stood us down like a bunch of punk squeakes when Georgia was really in need, Then what precedent do we set for helping them, as well?

And don't forget, if Georgia falls, the Russian's get what amounts to total control of Europe's oil and gas supply. The Euro's will be disenchanted with us, and they will be put in the position of having to accomodate any demands' from Russia. That put's the likelyhood of them going with Russia on quite a few issues'. Only at this time, we have an honest-to-god chance to nip things' in the bud right now, If we'd simply act.

[CAP1]

CAP, Uberslet...I'd probably think the same way myself...Hell, I still think that Iraq is a Massive mistake (and this thing in Georgia right now is one of the reasons) But you guys' do know, that the Georgians' were the 3rd largest contributor of troops' to our war in Iraq?

Are we going to turn our back on an allied nation that contributed 2,000 of their sons and daughters' to OUR cause???

I'll tell you this right now. If we let Georgia fall, Not only will the Euros' be vindicated in their anti-U.S. stances, but they could become our enemies' outright. Why? Because if the U.S. isn't gonna come to their aid because the big, bad, ol' Russia stood us down like a bunch of punk wenches when Georgia was really in need, Then what precedent do we set for helping them, as well?

And don't forget, if Georgia falls, the Russian's get what amounts to total control of Europe's oil and gas supply. The Euro's will be disenchanted with us, and they will be put in the position of having to accomodate any demands' from Russia. That put's the likelyhood of them going with Russia on quite a few issues'. Only at this time, we have an honest-to-god chance to nip things' in the bud right now, If we'd simply act.

well, i had no clue about this. i had asked earlier if or how important this could be to us. i also didn;t know they heped us in iraq......

[Torque]

russia holds enough of uncle sam's war debt rendering the neocons to placard waving at best... of course it was the necon's quest for dollar socialism in iraq that enabled russia to acquire all that debt.... the irony of it all. 

[FrodeMk3]

russia holds enough of uncle sam's war debt rendering the neocons to placard waving at best... of course it was the necon's quest for dollar socialism in iraq that enabled russia to acquire all that debt.... the irony of it all. 

I heard that China actually holds' most of that Debt; at least, that's what i've heard.

[Elfie]

I heard that China actually holds' most of that Debt; at least, that's what i've heard.

Same, in fact, I haven't heard of Russia holding any of the debt. They might, I just haven't heard of it.

[FrodeMk3]

Tell Putin then, if he ever hopes' to see another dime of U.S. money, he'll boogey north of Ossetia as of immediately.

[Delirium]

I feel it is too late to save Georgia, it would require a direct confrontation which no one is really willing (the American people as a whole, included) to do.

What I see happening is they'll allow portions of Georgia to go to Russia while both Georgia (what is left of it) and Ukraine both will be accepted into NATO.

[FrodeMk3]

I feel it is too late to save Georgia, it would require a direct confrontation which no one is really willing (the American people as a whole, included) to do.

What I see happening is they'll allow portions of Georgia to go to Russia while both Georgia (what is left of it) and Ukraine both will be accepted into NATO.

This might be what actually happens, in truth. I hate to see it end that way myself, for it will be a heavy blow to the U.S. diplomatically. Not as bad as a total takeover, but close.

[RTR]

You should do nothing.

Seriously.

These are not the droids you are looking for.

[FrodeMk3]

You should do nothing.

Seriously.

These are not the droids you are looking for.

Wow.

[Hangtime]

Hard negotiation and strong NATO leadership.

1. Fastrack Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. Start negotiations for ABM basing and troop basing, naval facilities, port calls, etc in Ukraine and Georgia. Strong fast action to complete the unification of eastern Europe and NATO.

2. Give Russia simple choice... Russia withdraws her forces from Georgia and accepts multinational peacekeepers in disputed areas or Russia is outta the G8, outta the WTO and risks also loosing it's consulates and embassies in the US. Hard line.. give 'em a timetable. No 'negotiating'.. just 'this is what you've done, this is what we will do if you stay beyond deadline. Similar demand should come from France and Germany under NATO header. 

3. Press Turkey HARD for expanded Naval and Air Black Sea access via NATO angle... the Montreaux Convention needs to be replaced with a Treaty that accommodates NATO... necessary because virtually every nation on the Black Sea is NATO.. except Russia. Also clear airspace (overfly Turkey) for active air assets and resupply from US bases in Turkey and Iraq... up to and including combat flights if necessary.

The Bear can be easily stopped NOW. wait 10 years... unchecked, Russia WILL re-absorb at a minimum eastern Europe to the cold war lines.

[RTR]

Wow.

Yeah Frode, That's what i thought too.

[Delirium]

#1 will happen

#2 will never happen, Europe is too dependent on Russia and instead will allow the US to look like the bad guy. There is absolutely no chance of individual NATO countries standing up against Russia politically.

#3 Turkey has always played both sides, do you think they'll do any different now? More so now that they see how how Georgia was abandoned to an aggressor.

[Torque]

Tell Putin then, if he ever hopes' to see another dime of U.S. money, he'll boogey north of Ossetia as of immediately.

russia is now a creditor nation due to the neoclown's and their imperial follies in iraq... if the russians don't buy up some of uncle sam's war debt about 100 billion in securities i think... uncle sam would have to <gasp> raise taxes... it's rather comical.

[moot]

The only ray of sunshine that I can see is that the world is a network of multi-national companies now with multi-national CEOs only really concerned with their bottom line. It's not like the 1940s where each nation was pretty much self-sufficient in comparison. Now everything is inextricably linked - and whether you're a Russian oil tycoon or an Arab sheikh, war is destabiling and profit destroying. And generally it is bad business to make war on your customer base. Russia is controlled by energy billionaires these days - there is no politburo any longer. That difference should not be ignored.

That's been my perspective since the start of the first rumors of "something big" happening out of this affair..  I don't know how even Russia could see anything good, considering that.  The only people in the world whose motive would trump that are terrorists, parasites.