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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2008, 01:09:28 PM »
NOEs are a ton of fun to find and kill. As for the darbars being ll the way to the deck i think that is flat stupid. There werent darbars in ww2 and we need to have  way to aviod having them be seen

Ground forces and the "observer core" were actually a more reliable source of inbound aircraft Intel than radar for the most part, especially as the fronts widened and practices of deception became commonly used. A large force could not travel over enemy territory, even if invisible on radar, without being reported to every fighter base and AA emplacement along its route by "eyes on target" on the ground. The only exceptions I can think of, without looking it up, were raids that vectored over large bodies of water to targets barely inland and were lucky enough to not be spotted by enemy vessels while en route.
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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2008, 01:37:18 PM »
The point is that while large NOE raids are effective and historical, they are not a lot of fun in the game. It would be better for both sets of players if there was more likely to be some opposition waiting.

How about if there are more than say five aircraft near a base, it flashes a different colour on the map?
You know I would not object to that it would some what be more historically correct with the others in this thread about ground observers with eyes on target hence an alert that there is more than five aircraft.

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2008, 02:03:30 PM »
To do them ad nauseum is hardly skill.   A "couple of good sticks" tore apart a 30+ NOE raid.   Instead of "Wow, you three sure whooped our arse!"   They cried "SPIZ!!!! ZOMFG!!   HOW DID YOU KNOW WE WERE COMING!!!"

You see how this works?   You claim "skill" as long as you milk the undefended base.   Let the opposite happen, we both know what happens and you aren't "Celebrating".    :aok

NOE missions are vulnerable in many ways, so why would anyone give a WTG to anyone upping a fighter to kill a goon.  If you could be more specific about which event you are referring to about Spies, I could give you a better answer since I do run NOE's and have many times have been compromised by a good pilot either directly or indirectly breaking up the mission, but many more have been successful than not.

To say there is no skill in NOE's you evidently have not participated in some fun ones where your palms are sweating after flying for over an hour.  There is planning involved to make one successful not to mention getting there in one piece, I have set missions up where you had to fly nearly 10 sectors to a CV, land refuel, regroup, fly another ten sectors deep into NME territory over terrain and capture the base flying completely oblivious to the NME.  All of this accomplished using 110's, Bombers, fighters, goons.  Thats Skill sir, not many have the patience or will to spend that much time involved to taking a base.  The Germans did the same thing to the US in WWII, landing troops on US soil, we were vulnerable to black ops and clan denstine operations as should this game be.

The most recent event of a questionable "SPY" event was when a player that is known to fly in another country was on the bish side "helping to even out the sides" , he was taking off at the same moment that an NOE was taking off and had been told that this NOE was en route to a specific base.  Normally most players would avoid the area or base or just join along.  Of course the mission was busted upon arriving and the guy that was accused stayed at alt did nothing to protect the goon or attack the uppers.  This alone was suspicious enough and he got an ear full from everyone there.
I am sure this tiype of reporting to the other side happens more often than we know since the loyalty goes to the squad or buds in the other country vice who they are "helping to equal the sides" with.  So if your there to "even out the sides" as some have said, participate in what is going on dont make it so obvious that your just not going to fight your buds or fire a shot and you wont be called a spy.

As for you second comment, I have noticed that when I dont run NOE missions and we go into fighter mode, we CLEAN HOUSE, the opposition disappeared or gets with the horde for protection.  One thing I have learned is that some of the score hordes dont like to die, neither do the ones that are trying to catch up with them in score, so once there is a higher risk of dying from a superior stick, they refer to the protection of the horde.  And you call that skill sir?  I will not mention any names, and its not you pacerr, your to easy, I am seeing more of the others that are point hunting instead of fighting, for instance, I shot down this particular pilot last night several times, he was not alone and we were outnumbered since we only had 4 pilots and they were coming with initially 10-12 and tapered to nothing, and at times he had 3 to 1 advantage and always an ALT advantage.  He disappeared and later saw him landing kills somewhere else where he could get the "easy" kills, the area we were operating in was silent, not one con, no DAR. Ghost town.  I was landing kills left and right, Now that's skill, to demoralize a player or players enough to leave with only 4 guys.

I can tell you this, my score means nothing to me in this game, but it has become a way of judging the integrity of some players that have high scores, they are driven by greed to get the kill for the score and not the fight, this is fine with me since I know you wont find them without the sacrificial lambs that fly with them, hence more kills for me, I find it hilarious when you peel back and kill the lambs and give chase to the fleeing wolf how he will die with no dignity, even in the game.  To each his own I guess, but my score has greatly improved and its not that my skill has improved or a drive to be #1, I simply have learned to play the greed card against the point horde pilots against them. Bottome line is the ones that worry about the score dont take the risks of being killed.  Is that skill?

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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2008, 03:39:02 PM »
OY dads, soo long im too lazy to read it  :rofl :rofl :rofl jk, i think i get what u said and i agree with the last sentence
NOE missions are vulnerable in many ways, so why would anyone give a WTG to anyone upping a fighter to kill a goon.  If you could be more specific about which event you are referring to about Spies, I could give you a better answer since I do run NOE's and have many times have been compromised by a good pilot either directly or indirectly breaking up the mission, but many more have been successful than not.

To say there is no skill in NOE's you evidently have not participated in some fun ones where your palms are sweating after flying for over an hour.  There is planning involved to make one successful not to mention getting there in one piece, I have set missions up where you had to fly nearly 10 sectors to a CV, land refuel, regroup, fly another ten sectors deep into NME territory over terrain and capture the base flying completely oblivious to the NME.  All of this accomplished using 110's, Bombers, fighters, goons.  Thats Skill sir, not many have the patience or will to spend that much time involved to taking a base.  The Germans did the same thing to the US in WWII, landing troops on US soil, we were vulnerable to black ops and clan denstine operations as should this game be.

The most recent event of a questionable "SPY" event was when a player that is known to fly in another country was on the bish side "helping to even out the sides" , he was taking off at the same moment that an NOE was taking off and had been told that this NOE was en route to a specific base.  Normally most players would avoid the area or base or just join along.  Of course the mission was busted upon arriving and the guy that was accused stayed at alt did nothing to protect the goon or attack the uppers.  This alone was suspicious enough and he got an ear full from everyone there.
I am sure this tiype of reporting to the other side happens more often than we know since the loyalty goes to the squad or buds in the other country vice who they are "helping to equal the sides" with.  So if your there to "even out the sides" as some have said, participate in what is going on dont make it so obvious that your just not going to fight your buds or fire a shot and you wont be called a spy.

As for you second comment, I have noticed that when I dont run NOE missions and we go into fighter mode, we CLEAN HOUSE, the opposition disappeared or gets with the horde for protection.  One thing I have learned is that some of the score hordes dont like to die, neither do the ones that are trying to catch up with them in score, so once there is a higher risk of dying from a superior stick, they refer to the protection of the horde.  And you call that skill sir?  I will not mention any names, and its not you pacerr, your to easy, I am seeing more of the others that are point hunting instead of fighting, for instance, I shot down this particular pilot last night several times, he was not alone and we were outnumbered since we only had 4 pilots and they were coming with initially 10-12 and tapered to nothing, and at times he had 3 to 1 advantage and always an ALT advantage.  He disappeared and later saw him landing kills somewhere else where he could get the "easy" kills, the area we were operating in was silent, not one con, no DAR. Ghost town.  I was landing kills left and right, Now that's skill, to demoralize a player or players enough to leave with only 4 guys.

I can tell you this, my score means nothing to me in this game, but it has become a way of judging the integrity of some players that have high scores, they are driven by greed to get the kill for the score and not the fight, this is fine with me since I know you wont find them without the sacrificial lambs that fly with them, hence more kills for me, I find it hilarious when you peel back and kill the lambs and give chase to the fleeing wolf how he will die with no dignity, even in the game.  To each his own I guess, but my score has greatly improved and its not that my skill has improved or a drive to be #1, I simply have learned to play the greed card against the point horde pilots against them. Bottome line is the ones that worry about the score dont take the risks of being killed.  Is that skill?

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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2008, 04:45:55 PM »
I fly NOEs cause I like flying with the guys, or squads, running them. Thats pretty much the bottom line. There is every opportunity for a base to defend if guys organize a little. Heck Ive both seen, and done, defeat an NOE raid in a single fighter alone.
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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2008, 06:39:41 PM »
NOE missions are vulnerable in many ways, so why would anyone give a WTG to anyone upping a fighter to kill a goon.  If you could be more specific about which event you are referring to about Spies, I could give you a better answer since I do run NOE's and have many times have been compromised by a good pilot either directly or indirectly breaking up the mission, but many more have been successful than not.

To say there is no skill in NOE's you evidently have not participated in some fun ones where your palms are sweating after flying for over an hour.  There is planning involved to make one successful not to mention getting there in one piece, I have set missions up where you had to fly nearly 10 sectors to a CV, land refuel, regroup, fly another ten sectors deep into NME territory over terrain and capture the base flying completely oblivious to the NME.  All of this accomplished using 110's, Bombers, fighters, goons.  Thats Skill sir, not many have the patience or will to spend that much time involved to taking a base.  The Germans did the same thing to the US in WWII, landing troops on US soil, we were vulnerable to black ops and clan denstine operations as should this game be.

The most recent event of a questionable "SPY" event was when a player that is known to fly in another country was on the bish side "helping to even out the sides" , he was taking off at the same moment that an NOE was taking off and had been told that this NOE was en route to a specific base.  Normally most players would avoid the area or base or just join along.  Of course the mission was busted upon arriving and the guy that was accused stayed at alt did nothing to protect the goon or attack the uppers.  This alone was suspicious enough and he got an ear full from everyone there.
I am sure this tiype of reporting to the other side happens more often than we know since the loyalty goes to the squad or buds in the other country vice who they are "helping to equal the sides" with.  So if your there to "even out the sides" as some have said, participate in what is going on dont make it so obvious that your just not going to fight your buds or fire a shot and you wont be called a spy.

As for you second comment, I have noticed that when I dont run NOE missions and we go into fighter mode, we CLEAN HOUSE, the opposition disappeared or gets with the horde for protection.  One thing I have learned is that some of the score hordes dont like to die, neither do the ones that are trying to catch up with them in score, so once there is a higher risk of dying from a superior stick, they refer to the protection of the horde.  And you call that skill sir?  I will not mention any names, and its not you pacerr, your to easy, I am seeing more of the others that are point hunting instead of fighting, for instance, I shot down this particular pilot last night several times, he was not alone and we were outnumbered since we only had 4 pilots and they were coming with initially 10-12 and tapered to nothing, and at times he had 3 to 1 advantage and always an ALT advantage.  He disappeared and later saw him landing kills somewhere else where he could get the "easy" kills, the area we were operating in was silent, not one con, no DAR. Ghost town.  I was landing kills left and right, Now that's skill, to demoralize a player or players enough to leave with only 4 guys.

I can tell you this, my score means nothing to me in this game, but it has become a way of judging the integrity of some players that have high scores, they are driven by greed to get the kill for the score and not the fight, this is fine with me since I know you wont find them without the sacrificial lambs that fly with them, hence more kills for me, I find it hilarious when you peel back and kill the lambs and give chase to the fleeing wolf how he will die with no dignity, even in the game.  To each his own I guess, but my score has greatly improved and its not that my skill has improved or a drive to be #1, I simply have learned to play the greed card against the point horde pilots against them. Bottome line is the ones that worry about the score dont take the risks of being killed.  Is that skill?

Enjoy the game for what it is, a game, many facets of this game are along the lines of history, some are not.  Good luck.

There is no skill involved.   I lost count of the times that Birdo, myself and Outkast took bases.  Two 110's and a goon taking bases.   Let alone 30+.   I'm sorry but rpaing a base like that is not "skill".    Hell, even the late mjollnir and I alone would take Vbases hand over fist.   We'd switch off on Panzer and M3's.   

You are reading more into me than you should.   I never mentioned score and can give a damn about them.   I KNOW who the "good sticks are", that is all I need to know.
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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2008, 07:06:05 PM »
Now I now I shouldn't do it and it is stupid.

When I see a DAR pop up and back down I usually might get a fromation of 17s of 24s,have a friend fly 6-7K behind and fly circles around the sector until I can spot them (on 100% fuel of course)and if I do spot enemys,try and fly into them and ask my buddy to fly straight into them and usually I act as the bait as my buddy comes up and picks them off me,and if Its too big off a horde me and him try and take as many as posible or draw them far off thier course but of course I first report it to country.
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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2008, 07:08:00 PM »
I've taken both V bases and Airbases solo with nothing more than a T34 and an M3.
NOE's are a fun fast way to do it though that gets everyone involved though and a good rolling base busting mission set really boosts morale of the side.
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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2008, 09:39:03 PM »

When I see a DAR pop up and back down I usually might get a fromation of 17s of 24s,have a friend fly 6-7K behind and fly circles around the sector until I can spot them (on 100% fuel of course)and if I do spot enemys,try and fly into them and ask my buddy to fly straight into them and usually I act as the bait as my buddy comes up and picks them off me,and if Its too big off a horde me and him try and take as many as posible or draw them far off thier course but of course I first report it to country.

that seems like a waste, why dont you just up a LA or 109, something fast that can tear apart an NOE
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2008, 09:54:15 PM »
There is no skill involved.   I lost count of the times that Birdo, myself and Outkast took bases.  Two 110's and a goon taking bases.   Let alone 30+.   I'm sorry but rpaing a base like that is not "skill".    Hell, even the late mjollnir and I alone would take Vbases hand over fist.   We'd switch off on Panzer and M3's.   

You are reading more into me than you should.   I never mentioned score and can give a damn about them.   I KNOW who the "good sticks are", that is all I need to know.

30+,,, What side or who is doing that in NOE's? were lucky to have 10-15 in an NOE and yes we do sometimes take more than one base at a time when we do them, hence more than 2 110's and a goon.  The most we have taken at one sweep was 3. 
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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2008, 11:12:52 PM »
Sorry to all you "fair fight" guys, but if I can take you out and I can do it "unfairly" with an advantage, then guess what, your dead meat. I play the game to take bases and win, all the fair fight stuff, well If I can help it your not getting one from me. I was always under the impression that this game was a strategy game, and the object was to take the other country's bases by hook or by crook. And sorry, but do you think in real war if a enemy pilot See's you at a disadvantage he's just going to let you go, I would think not. So fair fights, there are guys in this game who look for that, and if you find that your getting ho'ed or jumped a little more than your ego can handle then I would suggest the training arena with a friend that is looking for the same 1 on 1 dogfighting, if not then when you get jumped or ho'ed, chalk it up to a part of this game.

I get ho'ed or jumped all the time, but I will never be on vox 200 crying about being shot down by 5 or 6 different planes, or some guy came from 20'000 to get a quick kill, "IT's Part Of The Game".



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Re: noe hordes
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2008, 01:10:59 AM »
 :rofl

All I have to say is this...

WTG 173rd Guardian Angels.  Our NOEs have made an impact!  Look at all the  :furious  :uhoh :mad: about NOE. 

As for it not being fun/not fun?  We have a blast with them  :rock

I'd say there is plenty to give us up when we are making our approach.  So the arguement it's not fair is not relevant in my opinion.  I say we don't need to change a thing.  Y'all have plenty of warning.  A flashing base is more than enough.

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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2008, 01:50:20 AM »
NOE's are fun.  My biggest beef is that it is too bad more variety of aircraft are not used.  When there are 10+ guys in the mission, the Bf110 doesnt need to be the plane of choice.  There are many others that can do the job albeit a few secinds longer or another pass or two needed to take down all the town buildings.  Mossi's, P47 hvy, B25H hvy, P38 hvy, Bf109 hvy, Fw190 hvy, F4U hvy, etc.  Ditto for the "supporting" planes as well.  So tired of the Spit16, Lala, and Nik2 planes that get called upon to carry the fighter support.  There are lots of "B" grade fighters (B grade = 15-20 ENY) that fit the bill very well and are very capable. 

Every now and then I get to be a NOE raid that is different from the same-same and I have far more fun in them due to the challenge of not having the easiest plane to get the job done.  I was in a group of guys a month or so ago that did one NOE raid/capture in all German planes (no Bf110 though).  The next run was all RAF planes.  The next run was all US Navy planes from a carrier.  The next NOE raid/capture was all USAAF.  We even did a Jap plane with B5N, Ki64, A6M5, and Ki67, but it failed (but it was close none the less) only due to the lack of pilots.  They all were a lot of fun and 4/5 were successful.  Each base put up a good defense, and none of them were milkruns.  The USAAF we had to make 2 runs. 

As far as the "no skill" comment, I dissagree.  However, I will go out on a limb and say that many look for the easy way far too quickly.  Hence, my disdain for the 110, Spit16, Nik2, Lala, etc.     
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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2008, 06:48:47 AM »
OY dads, soo long im too lazy to read it  :rofl :rofl :rofl jk, i think i get what u said and i agree with the last sentence
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2008, 07:26:15 AM »
that seems like a waste, why dont you just up a LA or 109, something fast that can tear apart an NOE

If you use something with alot of guns (17 or 24) you can have a bigger impact.
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