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beginner fighter
« on: August 29, 2008, 12:30:07 PM »
Can anybody please make a recommendation for a good fighter for a beginner?  Thanks.

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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 12:35:26 PM »
Spit 16 would be the easy mode plane but I think if you learn to BnZ alil in a Typh it will help you out alil in the long run. It isnt the fastest bnz plane but it has a good climb rate which makes you become aware of the E of the other planes around you. I think flying made me more situationally aware
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 12:35:37 PM »
Fly a P38  I believe they are easy mode   :lol.










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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 12:38:54 PM »
Fly a P38  I believe they are easy mode   :lol.


I think I missed it.  So, I guess my question is: are you serious?







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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 12:41:53 PM »
P38 is a tricky bird but I got alove hate relationship with that broad, she is like that fat chick that you keepgoing back to. :rofl
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 12:42:55 PM »
Seriously  I would suggest the Spit IX  if you like to mix it up and turn fight.

If you want to hit and run I suggest FW190D / P51D.

LA7 has to be the fastest non perked ride on the deck and very good at turning.

The Niki climbs and turns well and has alot of ammo to waste.

All of the planes in AH have a purpose and a strength, its a long hard journey of finding out the limits of each and then using them to your advantage.



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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 12:47:10 PM »
Seriously  I would suggest the Spit IX  if you like to mix it up and turn fight.

If you want to hit and run I suggest FW190D / P51D.

LA7 has to be the fastest non perked ride on the deck and very good at turning.

The Niki climbs and turns well and has alot of ammo to waste.

All of the planes in AH have a purpose and a strength, its a long hard journey of finding out the limits of each and then using them to your advantage.




Thanks fellas.  And I appreciate the variety you offer here.  A bird for every occasion.  My skills are limited at this time, severly, so I'll try the turn and burn ride to begin.

That long hard journey comment.  Brother, aint that the truth??!!!!!

What does "non perked" mean?
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 12:53:11 PM »
Hey bro if you ever want to wing up,ill teach you my uber picking skillz :lol just pm me
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 01:02:55 PM »
Hey bro if you ever want to wing up,ill teach you my uber picking skillz :lol just pm me

Thanks JunkyII.  I appreciate the offer. :aok

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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 01:29:37 PM »
there are some "perked" planes  such as the Tempest,  Spit 14, F4u1C hog,  me 262 (jet) and me163 (komet).

You have to acquire perks by downing enemy aircraft and you can spend them on the above planes,  you will lose the perks if you dont return them to base safely.

The older planes you fly, the higher ENY values, will earn you more depending on what enemy types you kill and how many players are on the other team.

For example  SPIT XVI has eny 5 and a Spit IX has 20.  You will earn more perks killing with the   spit IX.

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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 01:31:41 PM »
What does "non perked" mean?

"Perk" points are attached to certain high performing aircraft. To fly those aircraft, you need to put as many of your own perk points on the line as the plane is worth. If you fly it, and land it successfully, you get your points back. A ditch I believe is half your perks back, and a death you lose all the perk points you put down for that flight. An aircraft may have a low perk point value, such as 15, or a high value, such as 200. The values vary slightly for the planeset as a whole at any given time in the arena due to numbers imbalance (your side has the lower numbers, ALL perk point values for your side are reduced)

You obtain perk points from kills. In fighter mode (ask someone else about other modes) a kill will get you perk points. Assists do not. Just how many you get is decided by what plane you were flying vs. what plane you shot down when the kill occurred. You get more points for shooting down a higher performing aircraft in a lower performing one. It can get complicated, so just leave it simply at that.

Back to your original question. Fly the Spit 8 or 9. I've found the 9 to have slightly better roll rate and is a little more stable, but the 8 performs better.

However, if you want to get into 109's, go with the 109F at first. Starting with the G series usually leaves new players discouraged from 109's, but the F is a little easier on beginners.

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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2008, 02:01:38 PM »
Can anybody please make a recommendation for a good fighter for a beginner?  Thanks.

As someone else suggested ... the Spit IX ... is a great place to start ... you can get use to the AH flight characteristics and at the same time, have some survivability along with some punch (20mm cannons) to get the job done.

Pros - very forgiving while flying it ... has decent speed/climb ... good cannons (but not much of them).

Cons - Low 20mm ammo load ... not great over-the-nose tracking.

Another one would be the N1K-2 ...

Pros - very forgiving while flying it ... has decent speed/climb ... great cannons

Cons - Most AH snobs wouldn't piss on ya if you were on fire for flying a N1K.

Another ... the F6F ...

Pros - somewhat forgiving while flying it ... has decent speed/climb ... great zoom ... carries a lot of ordiance and when that is gone, it is a very capable fighter.

Cons - Some think that .50 cal planes are not worth looking at (obviously not the same punch as a cannon bird)

Flying Spits and N1Ks are considered "dweeby" buy a certain sect within Aces High ... pay no mind to them ... fly whatever you want. Most who use these planes to "start" out with, usually move onto other planes that are in the hanger.
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 02:19:43 PM »
As I'm still a noob myself, so I'll throw my recommendation in here.

Absolute first thing:  Read the info on the trainers website and set up your views as it describes or get with a trainer in the Training Arena and let them help you set up your views.  Regardless of what you fly, you cannot kill your enemy if you cannot see him.  Well, eventually you may be able to, but you won't be able to right now...

Next thing is to turn the stall limiter off.  I did not, and ended up having to relearn how to fly once I realized that everyone was right and it was seriously limiting my flying by having it on.

Now, to your actual question.  In the beginning, new players almost always find themselves on the deck, slow and desperately trying to flat turn their way out of trouble.

...wait, that's still what I do  :O

Anyway, for doing that, the best aircraft is really the A6M zero.  While the A6M2 is a better turner, the A6M5 is a better platform and will out-turn anything else but an A6M2.  Of course, people in bombers are going to look like they are out-turning you, but they are really just out-flying you.  You won't be able to run away or run anyting down, but you really don't need to be running from fights anyway and treat anything that runs away from you as a victory.  You can also climb like crazy, so try to think "up, Up, UP!" to yourself while you are fighting.  Just don't go up with someone on your six...

After a while you will probably want to graduate to something that can take a little more damage, is a little faster and has better guns.  That means the N1K2-J, Spitfire Mk VIII or Spitfire Mk IX among others.  I would rank them Spit 8, Nikki, Spit 9, but that is only my opinion.  The 109's are good, but require constant throttle work to be effective.  The P-38 is good, but requires a smooth hand on the controls, constant flap work and good energy conservation skills.  Really, the key is to fly something that you enjoy and stick with it for a while.  Go to the training arena and try out several planes.  Or all the planes.  You can have all the planes you want for free, so there is no reason not to experiment.

One last additional piece of advice that you did not ask for is to completely ignore your score.  Other than your gunnery hit percentage, the rest is really meaningless.  Go have fun.
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »
I would suggest you start out in a spitfire. I did in spit5, but spit9s got a better cannon load now (didn't always).

What I would like to stress here is that it doesn't matter what plane you start out in. For obvious reasons already mentioned, its best to begin in a forgiving plane, and a spits as forgiving as it gets.

What really matters imho is whilst you've got the training wheels on, try out different fighting styles.
There are more than one ways to skin a cat.

Aerial battles are not about chasing each other in circles till soemone dies. Thats just the plain-old "turn and burn" (TnB) style. Spits are well above average in turning and you can do well in that department quite easily in a spit.

There are aircraft like the 190 or P51 or typhoon which are excellent at diving in at high speeds, blowing a lower or slower enemy to shreds and climbing back to their perch. That is Boom n Zoom (BnZ) fighting (well not exactly but in a nutshell anyway). Spits arent the best BnZ but they aren't the worst either.
Other aircraft like the P38 or KI84 are good energy fighters. This is a more complex fighting style and involves both BnZ and TnB style maneuvers.

The spits are best beginners imho, because you can try out all three styles as you progress in basic flying skills without moving about from plane to plane. Find a style you like or are good at and then you will naturally progress to a plane which does that bit better.

What I'm trying to say is start in a spit, but don't limit yourself to being a "Turning guy" only.
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Re: beginner fighter
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2008, 02:35:21 PM »
1) turn off the stall limiter  in   preferences  ---->  flight

2)  save head positions  using your arrow keys and hitting   f10

3)  hit  shift + f1 for full vis view

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