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Offline texasmom

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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2008, 09:07:20 AM »
That's a stupid thing to do on the part of that State.  Would be interesting to see if there's a contrast with their requirements on parental consent for abortions. 

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I'd be interested in hearing if they enforce that law, SkyRock.  And if they do [or even if they don't enforce that law, actually], why are outraged parents not pushing to get that changed?  Or are there even any outraged parents [other than you]

Boy, that's one ridiculous law.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 09:08:42 AM »
...The point is, a Parent has to get permission from the Principal to take his child to the doctor.
Only if the child is expected to attend school the day of the appointment.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2008, 09:10:13 AM »
ok..  so I guess if I found out that the principal had the right to refuse to allow me to take my daughter out of school... then I would be ticked.  it would be a bad law.

I can see a number of reasons why they would want prior approval..  none of which would mean that they had the right to refuse approval.. only that they wanted to know in advance so that they could do whatever paperwork or checking out the legitimacy of the "parent" was needed.

I would also say that if I forgot to get approval and I went their and showed ID and they refused to let my daughter out.. there would be trouble.

In that case.. if there is no mechanism for getting your own kid out of school..  after proving who you are... then the law is wrong.

It does seem odd that a republican would come up with this one since almost all rules that give the schools power over parents are made by democrats tho.

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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2008, 09:10:47 AM »
This thread is ridiculous.  A parent should be able to take their kid out of school without notice, and for whatever reason they wish.

All you so-called conservatives or libertarians are just taking the opposite side here because it's skyrock who made the original post.

According to the original post you can take your kid out for any reason at all. However, if you want the absence to be excused, you have to give prior notice and bring a note from the doctor/dentist.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2008, 09:11:11 AM »
*elfie is right.

"Excused" in this instance isn't being used in the same manner that you're excused from the table [i.e.leaving], but instead as "approved reason having been annotated for absence."

Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2008, 09:13:29 AM »
...and, I highly doubt any principal would deny a parent permission to take the kid  out of school for any reason. I'm speculating that there was a real problem down there  that generated the need for this new legislation, not sure what it was, but its evident that this new law was needed. I don't think we're getting the whole story from Skyrock, as to make his partisan snip about the right.

I'm thinking of cases of "bitter divorce" ... where one parent who has been refused visitation rights, sauntering into the school, proving that they are indeed the parent of little Billy, and Billy needs to go to a dentist appointment ... and "kidnaps" Billy.

I hardly doubt that any principle would ever say NO to a scheduled Dr/DDS appointment ... it just gives them a buffer to stop these types of abductions.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2008, 09:14:18 AM »
government to tell them what to do?  I think thats what I hear from republicans.  What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school. 

This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:

According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09.  Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.

So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist. 

the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:



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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2008, 09:16:07 AM »
*elfie is right.

Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.

I would think a simple note from the doctor or documentation proving you had been to the doctor would be sufficient to obtain an excused absence.

Otoh, Slapshot has a valid point about divorced parents kidnapping children they no longer have custody over.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2008, 09:18:46 AM »
This thread is ridiculous.  A parent should be able to take their kid out of school without notice, and for whatever reason they wish.

All you so-called conservatives or libertarians are just taking the opposite side here because it's skyrock who made the original post.

Pretty much what it comes down two.. Soon as it's their guys doing the dirty deeds their aditude suddenly changes. Rule number 144 in the Republican handbook.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2008, 09:18:57 AM »
*elfie is right.

"Excused" in this instance isn't being used in the same manner that you're excused from the table [i.e.leaving], but instead as "approved reason having been annotated for absence."

Still, it's BS to require prior approval in order to gain an 'excused' absence rather than an 'unexcused' absense.

You're right.

When I was a kid, my Dad used to take me skiing on school days now and then.  They tried to give me Saturday school so many times, even if I faked sick to make the absence "excused."  There's one and only one motivation for these kinds of laws: attendance=money.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2008, 09:21:20 AM »
Nothing in the law says that they can not take the child out of school for an appointment.  It just says it has to be approved to an approved absence.
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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2008, 09:24:23 AM »
what didn't you understand?

I want whoever is in charge to make damn sure that the guy he turns my daughter over to is who he says he is.

I also do not want the school to decide if my underage daughter gets a medical procedure... a possibly life threatening and life changing surgical one.... without my permission  much less without ever telling me.

sooo.. back at you.. how do you feel about those two things?

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My question to you is, do you think that you should need the principals approval for taking your daughter to the dentist? 

as to your statements here, noone but who I say can check my daughter out from school.  Every year I register her and put down who is allowed to check her out, and she will not be relaesed to anyone other than who's on that list.

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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2008, 09:26:12 AM »
government to tell them what to do?  I think thats what I hear from republicans.  What if you scheduled a dentist appointment for you daughter and needed to check her out of school. 

This is a new law in the state of Mississippi:

According to State Law 37-13-91, a scheduled medical or dental appointment must have PRIOR APPROVAL of the principal or his/her designee in order to be excused, except in the case of an emergency for school year 2008-09.  Upon returning to school a proper excuse must be presented from the attending physician/dentist.

So I have to ask the principal and get her permission to take my daughter to the dentist. 

the republican NCLB hard at work. :rolleyes:

The law has been on the books since 1972 and was only recently acted upon since it inadvertently came up in an audit. 

Were Republicans in control back in 1972?

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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2008, 09:28:34 AM »
I don't think we're getting the whole story from Skyrock,
http://www.desotocountyschools.org
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http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/37/013/0091.htm

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Re: So, republicans don't like ...
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2008, 09:39:25 AM »
According to the original post you can take your kid out for any reason at all. However, if you want the absence to be excused, you have to give prior notice and bring a note from the doctor/dentist.
and it has to be approved by the pricipal to be excused.  So, if your doctor/dentist is a busy one, like mine are, then you might have to set the appointment during school hours, at which time one would be subject to the approval of the principal for an excuse. 
Since when did we need a law that allows school districts the right to determine whether our childs medical/dental needs were important enough for their absence to be excused? 


Just so you know where I'm coming from, I do not like NCLB, it has virtually paralyzed schools with threats of no funding.  It has created countless laws giving local officials power over our children as it relates to school. 


Also, this year in my kids school district, they enacted a requirment that to prove residency one needs:

1.  mortgage statement or title to property
2.  most recent electric bill
3.  vehicle tag registration
Now the 3rd one is new here, and I believe falls into the same category as my original post.  Because of NCLB, the local government will have more and more control over anyone who has a chiild in school.

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