ANWR = Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

[Fulmar]

If you recall correctly from where?
Just the announcement that we are going to drill will lower the price now.

I've been'a Googlin', but can't find it, so I guess it's real?

[Donzo]

I've been'a Googlin', but can't find it, so I guess it's real?

Guess what's real?

[CAP1]

By the way, drilling now won't help oil prices for quite a while IIRC.

so they say.......bet it does though.

[Fulmar]

The Caribou photo.  I perhaps read it in a Fark.com comment thread where members debated it there.  From everything I've search for, it appears to be authentic and I retract my statement unless further evidence is found.

[Fulmar]

How about this one is it fake?
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I don't debate the wildlife's co-existance with the pipelines and such.  I believe the footprint for oil rigs in ANWR would be very minimal.  I've seen that photo elsewhere and several others like it.

[ElGuapo1]

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I believe this photo has been deemed fake IIRC.

LMAO Fake?...Ive worked there Fulmar..you see more wildlife there than in our parks.That photo represents how wildlife and development CAN AND DO coexist here.Now go eat a veggieburger and save some whales.

[lazs2]

LOL..  so bongboy...  you are saying that we shouldn't drill in ANWAR for the sole reason that you think we need to create an artificial drop in supply and increase in price in order to get us to all line up behind conservation?

There is nothing wrong with conservation..  voluntary conservation and there is nothing wrong with alternatives that compete on their own merit..

We need to drill and we need to explore every alternative.. more oil.. more nuke plants more natural gas and coal more everything that works and is cheap.

The country and the economy runs on us all being able to get around and deliver goods cheaply.   

Why is it that liberals see every problems answer to be "create and artificial crisis"?

lazs

[Baitman]

We routinely work in sensitive areas such as caving grounds for mountain caribou when we are drilling. And I can speak from experience that the roads and trail networks that we have to put in are used by the caribou and the grizzly. The caribou like it because it is easier to move around when on a trail and they can see a lot further that in the bush. I have been on drill trails that are 30+ years old and you can still trace them out because the animals are using them now.

BTW you have to watch your back when drilling for the amorous bull caribou or a hungry Grizzly.

 

[eskimo2]

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I believe this photo has been deemed fake IIRC.

Caribou travel in huge herds; I don't doubt this picture at all.  I think what matters is how are the caribous being harmed?  98% of time they are out of sight of anything man made; they function just the same either way.  600 friggin moose trample all over Anchorage; they do just fine in the middle of a big city (except when they get hit by cars and trains); why would caribou care about big drills and pipes?

[eskimo2]

I think anti ANWAR folks should take a trip to ANWAR; after hours of flying over nothing in Alaska it's actually kind of nice to see a speck of something man made... 

Cast a handful of black sand onto a huge white sand beach; some folks will cry that its ruined, others will say that it still looks like the same beach.  I bet 99% of the whiners have never truly seen wilderness.

[bongaroo]

There is nothing wrong with conservation..  voluntary conservation and there is nothing wrong with alternatives that compete on their own merit..

He told me to give up everything or allow drilling.  I told him to give up something to allow drilling.  Seemed a broad statement would do just fine to answer his.

And you are quite right.  Conservation has absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[Buzzard7]

Really it should be about energy independance. Drill now while the other "alternatives" are being developed.
Then we can thumb our noses at the rest of the world. Imagine what the Saudi's will have when we stop buyng their oil. NOTHING but sand and a few resort hotels.

[Holden McGroin]

By the way, drilling now won't help oil prices for quite a while IIRC.

Then let's do nothing unless it changes things in... oh, say 8 days.

What does that leave us?

[Mr No Name]

I say IF elected, Palin should go Dominatrix on McCain and force that idiot to Drill in ANWR and seal the damned borders.

[ChickenHawk]

The Caribou photo.  I perhaps read it in a Fark.com comment thread where members debated it there.  From everything I've search for, it appears to be authentic and I retract my statement unless further evidence is found.

It looks like the photo in its current form originated from anwr.org:  http://www.anwr.org/Latest-News/Photo-Gallery.php

While this organization is obviously biased, the photo appears genuine.  But as there are no shots from other angles, one cannot be 100% sure it is original because no credit has been given to the photographer.