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« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2008, 02:59:20 PM »
I assume by several of your posts, that you don't support Obama.. If so does that mean you support McCain? If so why? What do you think he will do for this country? What makes you think he will be any different than Bush, given his voting record?
Lol and I assume by YOUR posts, you haven't a response to Charon's post :D
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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2008, 03:07:58 PM »
Lol and I assume by YOUR posts, you haven't a response to Charon's post :D

you didn't read my post above I assume?
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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2008, 03:10:29 PM »
Voting against your own leader 10% of the is significant in this country.(and it hacked me off, as I view it as disloyalty) Joe Lieberman only went against them on ONE thing and was kicked out. One COULD view it differently--polls show Dem senate/house approval in SINGLE digits nationally, as opposed to Bush's low 30's. Obama votes with HIS leadership 100% of the time...I don't see how this can be construed as an asset :confused:

Ahh yes.. McSame the Maverick..   :uhoh

I guess that's why he's pretty much changed up on many of his former beliefs in the last two years to better fit the party line..  :lol
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Re: obama's earmarks
« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2008, 03:34:04 PM »
I assume by several of your posts, that you don't support Obama.. If so does that mean you support McCain? If so why? What do you think he will do for this country? What makes you think he will be any different than Bush, given his voting record?
It's very simple for me. I know first hand socialism that's even worse than any yet reached in the USA.  I know that all but very very few politicians are dirty crooks.  Even among those few are most likely no completely clean politicians.. It's most likely (from all I've seen) impossible not to get yourself dirty over the years, if for no other reason because the dirtier will want to have some dirt on you for leverage.. So they just shovel it at you till it sticks.
But there are some things you can still do as a politician, even if you've got dirt on you.. You follow the Constitution.  Not call it a 'living document' up for constant re-interpretation, not just blindly follow its word, but understand what it means in its full context, with the rest of its related literature.

I don't particularily like McCain.  His VN experience is part of him.. But politicaly, I'm pretty sure that when I was back in Phx, at least a dozen people mentionned some things that he'd done that were enough to scratch him off the clean/trustworthy list.  I don't remember the specifics, but at least one problem was him waffling and more or less betraying his state, or something like that.
The only politicians I'd vote for (rather than against their opposition) are the libertarians.. They're often (relatively) a bit odd, but they follow the constitution and stand for individualism.  I'm not gonna repeat Lazs' rap about that.  All you need to know is that I have the exact same position. 

Anything left of center is evil.  And pretty much the whole left-right spectrum is slowly but surely shifting leftwards, and toward bigger government, etc etc.  That toejam needs to stop.   So, no, I'm not supporting Obama.  Obama and his party hack team, the Clintons, etc, can eat my nuggets after I squat em out.  I couldn't possibly pretend to one day swear myself citizen if I voted for those guys.  I don't see any reason to believe that they're closer to a constitutional rule with individualists' interests than Republicans.. Even given all the bad about the Reps; their drift away from the earlier days around Goldwater's time, etc. 
Obama reminds me of French politicians.. They're professional politicians, they go thru political science schools etc, they're like academics.  Analogous would be a preference for an engineer to do something, rather than a theorist.  An experienced war veteran to lead a military op, rather than a green graduate, no matter his curiculum back in school.
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Re: obama's earmarks
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2008, 03:36:01 PM »
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The 2.5 billion we send to Israel is a enormous sum of money and it's the highest amount of money we send to any country in form of earmark aid.

2.5 billion is a huge sum of money to us......however, it's a drop in the bucket in a budget that measures in the trillions.

I agree with Hang, if we are gonna give Israel money, do it above board and not under the table like some drug deal.

Cutting out foreign aid to countries that don't like us will save 10's of billions of dollars, (which I am for) McCain has said that is part of his plan. Israel happens to like us, so I doubt that aid will be cut.
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2008, 03:43:21 PM »



I totally support doing away with earmarks


so why are you for oboma again?




I'm quite sure Republicans wont support cutting aid to Israel and cutting defense spending..  :)

i hope not, we need defence spending more than most anything else, as well as a strong Isreal to help provide a buffer between those who want us dead as well as a freind in there back yard!
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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2008, 04:03:34 PM »
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The point is she is out right lying about giving the money back she still accepted it in another bill and it wasn't even her that turned it down it was because McCain complained about it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-31-palin-bridge_N.htm

Your own link doesn't say she said she gave the money back.
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2008, 07:32:42 PM »
so why are you for oboma again?


i hope not, we need defence spending more than most anything else, as well as a strong Isreal to help provide a buffer between those who want us dead as well as a freind in there back yard!

Couldn't I in turn ask you the same question you just asked me based on your response in the second half of your reply?

Just because I don't like earmarks doesn't mean that's what I'm basing vote on. I base my vote first and for most on my personal freedom. Republicans have been going down the road of taking away my personal rights with their mingling with the Religious Right. That is the number one thing I look at, is my personal freedom.

Number two is spending.. Granted Democrats have a history of taxing more but in all honestly the last two have kicked the Republicans butts in the national budget. The last three Republican president's Regan, Bush Sr & Bush Jr have all three doubled our national debit while letting unchecked spending run wild. (Bush Sr was the only one not to double it of the three, but he only had 4 years and came damn close)

So to put it bluntly Republicans fail on my two main priorities. Separation of Church & State is crucial to me and I'll vote against any one that tries to merge the two.

If the McCain we have today was the same McCain we had 3 years ago, then maybe I might think about voting for him (but only if no Palin). However McCain we have today has thrown away any trust he had by totally changing his stance on so many of the important subjects that I just can't trust him anymore. I can't believe anything he says because he's done what ever he had to just to get the nomination, meaning not stating up for what he believed in.. He caved to the Republican party just to get the nomination.

Voting for Obama means I don't have to worry about my freedoms being taken away by pressure from the Religious Right and I also think he will likely do a better job with the budget. Obama also seems to understand where the "real" war on terror is and McSame will do the same thing Bush has done and that's lets the Neo-Cons pick the war using 9/11 as the excuse.


So now I ask you why would you vote for McCain when he has said he will cut defense spending?
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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2008, 07:33:20 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2008, 07:37:49 PM »
Couldn't I in turn ask you the same question you just asked me based on your response in the second half of your reply?

Just because I don't like earmarks doesn't mean that's what I'm basing vote on. I base my vote first and for most on my personal freedom. Republicans have been going down the road of taking away my personal rights with their mingling with the Religious Right. That is the number one thing I look at, is my personal freedom.

Number two is spending.. Granted Democrats have a history of taxing more but in all honestly the last two have kicked the Republicans butts in the national budget. The last three Republican president's Regan, Bush Sr & Bush Jr have all three doubled our national debit while letting unchecked spending run wild. (Bush Sr was the only one not to double it of the three, but he only had 4 years and came damn close)

So to put it bluntly Republicans fail on my two main priorities. Separation of Church & State is crucial to me and I'll vote against any one that tries to merge the two.

If the McCain we have today was the same McCain we had 3 years ago, then maybe I might think about voting for him (but only if no Palin). However McCain we have today has thrown away any trust he had by totally changing his stance on so many of the important subjects that I just can't trust him anymore. I can't believe anything he says because he's done what ever he had to just to get the nomination, meaning not stating up for what he believed in.. He caved to the Republican party just to get the nomination.

Voting for Obama means I don't have to worry about my freedoms being taken away by pressure from the Religious Right and I also think he will likely do a better job with the budget. Obama also seems to understand where the "real" war on terror is and McSame will do the same thing Bush has done and that's lets the Neo-Cons pick the war using 9/11 as the excuse.


So now I ask you why would you vote for McCain when he has said he will cut defense spending?

It's time for a reality check here.

"Blame the Republicans" all that you want.  Answer me this.   Why is the Democratic Controlled Congress NEVER MENTIONED?   They have more to do with our "Economy" than anything else.   

 
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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2008, 07:52:28 PM »
It's very simple for me. I know first hand socialism that's even worse than any yet reached in the USA.  I know that all but very very few politicians are dirty crooks.  Even among those few are most likely no completely clean politicians.. It's most likely (from all I've seen) impossible not to get yourself dirty over the years, if for no other reason because the dirtier will want to have some dirt on you for leverage.. So they just shovel it at you till it sticks.

While you worry about Socialism.. This country has already been taken over by big business and corruption. Socialism, Communism is just a catchy phrase to keep the peasants in line. This country has been sold to big business years ago in a sort of Military Industrial complex but more so Big Business verses Military.

Watch Eisenhower's farewell speech and then think of this country's current state

Part 1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oACur8v1188

Big business & special interest own this country along with foreign investors. Our govt stopped working for the people a long time ago my friend. Ask your self what the last bill this govt passed that does anything for the average Joe. Anything our govt does benefits a large cooperation or a special interest group the US citizen is a after thought.

Eisenhower was almost right in his fears, but it was Big Business as a whole that took over this country not just the military contractors.
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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2008, 07:55:43 PM »
It's time for a reality check here.

"Blame the Republicans" all that you want.  Answer me this.   Why is the Democratic Controlled Congress NEVER MENTIONED?   They have more to do with our "Economy" than anything else.   

 

Democrats only took over congress a short time ago and they have to deal with a Republican president that wants to veto everything. On the flip side the Republicans had control of it all for the last 8 years and what did they do?
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2008, 08:02:01 PM »
Democrats only took over congress a short time ago and they have to deal with a Republican president that wants to veto everything. On the flip side the Republicans had control of it all for the last 8 years and what did they do?

Unacceptable answer.   They have destroyed Michigan and other states in this Union.   I refuse the "party line of we just got in".    I'll need a better answer from you than "the usual canned response of deflection." 

For a second time:

Why is the Democratic Controlled Congress NEVER MENTIONED?   They have more to do with our "Economy" than anything else.
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2008, 09:45:10 PM »
Democrats only took over congress a short time ago and they have to deal with a Republican president that wants to veto everything. On the flip side the Republicans had control of it all for the last 8 years and what did they do?

Clinton 37 vetoes in 8 years.

Bush2 8 vetoes in almost 8 years.

"Republican president that wants to veto everything" Say what? Put down the kool-aide dude!

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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2008, 09:53:02 PM »
Clinton 37 vetoes in 8 years.

Bush2 8 vetoes in almost 8 years.

"Republican president that wants to veto everything" Say what? Put down the kool-aide dude!



Between your post and mine, Crockett's King just entered Checkmate.    I knew the "Veto count" myself and was wondering what "line" he would take.   
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