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Re: obama's earmarks
« Reply #135 on: September 08, 2008, 03:26:12 PM »
I may be misunderstanding the term here, but I don't think so.

Surely if a person, for whatever reason, cannot support themselves, it's only right that they should be helped out by the government?

That's what churches are for, not the government.
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« Reply #136 on: September 08, 2008, 03:26:37 PM »
Yup.  Those liberals are the nicest people.  They'll give you the shirt off from someone elses back.

It's chilly in here from all this hating.  Gimme your jacket!

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« Reply #137 on: September 08, 2008, 03:29:20 PM »


EDIT: clarified who I'm asking about this.

If you don't want interjection, you should pm him.

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« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2008, 03:31:18 PM »
That's what churches are for, not the government.

Then republicans should keep their "values" talk in the churches, not the government.  Zing!
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« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2008, 03:31:51 PM »
Than republicans should keep their "values" talk in the churches, not the government.  Zing!

Agreed.  The USA is a secular country.
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« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2008, 03:49:18 PM »
Then republicans should keep their "values" talk in the churches, not the government.  Zing!

Society can not survive without basic values.  But then again a thief would not know what that means, always taking things they did not earn.

P.S.  And that Church out west that encouraged its people to go on welfare are even more of a threat then people like Obama.
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« Reply #141 on: September 08, 2008, 03:49:55 PM »
Society can not survive without basic values.  But then again a thief would not know what that means.  Always taking things they did not earn.

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« Reply #142 on: September 08, 2008, 03:57:19 PM »
No I think it is funny coming from you and very hypocritical considering you turning people in for calling you a "crock-of-****).  You're all for the rules when they suit you, but all for breaking them when it suits you.

Turning people in WTF do you get this BS from?  Also where have I ever said anything about people breaking rules? I could care less if people follow rules but I treat people as they treat me. Every reply Lard has ever written to me he's calling me some name. Have you ever once seen me complain about it? Na I just call him Lard in responce.

I don't give a crap about what someone in the O club says to me..
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« Reply #143 on: September 08, 2008, 04:25:00 PM »
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Yossarian: I've seen many people on here claim that the Democrats are attacking/threatening people's rights, however I've never seen any evidence to support this, nor has anyone said in what way.  Could you please tell me specifically which rights are under threat?

The most specific aspect for me personally, are the assaults on the 2nd Amendment. An issue that I have to deal with every legislative session. Nationally, you have eminent domain for the Democrats. Both republicans and democrats find issues with the 1st, but that amendment is hard for ether to breach so there are few serious assaults. However, the Democrat pushed Fairness Doctrine appears not very fair.

The Republicans, of course, have their attacks mostly centered on the 4th Amendment, but Bill Clinton in his tough on crime/war on drugs mode has dirty hands there as well. My main objection to his presidential legacy.

More nit picky (and not specifically Constitutional), at the state level we have had laws passed or proposed limiting everything from the sale of foie gras to small "drug" baggies. You have bans or proposed bans on smoking, trans fats and cell phone and driving as well. To be fair though, both parties pander to the insurance industry relative to nanny laws. Bush, for example, is a major supporter of seat belt laws.

All in all, most of these issues can find some degree of bipartisan assault, since govt. is about state power and control, and the BOR gets in the way of that for both Republicans and Democrats.

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« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2008, 04:37:38 PM »
Well said Charon.  I wish I could get my thoughts across as clearly as you.
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« Reply #145 on: September 08, 2008, 04:39:47 PM »
I don't give a crap about what someone in the O club says to me..

You sure do spend a lot of time defending yourself against all these people you are so indifferent to...

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« Reply #146 on: September 08, 2008, 04:43:39 PM »
I've taken more than my fair share of personal attacks from these trolls. Lard personally attacks me in every post he makes to me. So don't get all uppity on me about personal attacks until you say something about theirs.

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« Reply #147 on: September 08, 2008, 04:46:28 PM »
crock-it.. I will give you "one" example of socialism and it's evils..   welfare.    I will give you an example of where the democrats have made socialism worse than it even needs to be.... Public schools.

If you are talking about business and tax breaks tho.. you get no sympathy from me..  I say "a big round of tax breaks all around..  tax breaks for everyone"

the more tax breaks the better.

"earned income credit" is not a tax break tho.. it is pure evil socialism.

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ok Lazs..

Welfare.. yes I will agree with you that it does get abused. However would you rather we not have welfare at all. Can you not consider the fact that we do somewhat take care of our poor and that it helps society even though it might get abused?

Ever been to Costa Rica Lazs? That is prime example of a country with a good mix of Haves and Have-nots. Where the poor are left to fend for themselves while the well off live behind gated communities with bobwire fences and security guards. Is that what you want America to become Lazs?

You think that this country would be in the same shape it's in now if we had no welfare? You think society would not be worse in this country if we didn't try to take care of the poor?

You know what Lazs I have lived in a home with a single parent who had to go on welfare and use food stamps to put food on the table when I was a kid. I grew up in a home where I didn't have the coolest clothes in junior high school. It wasn't because my mom was lazy she worked a full time job and went to school to continue her education to become a RN nurse.

When I was a kid I had to have a major surgery that insurance didn't fully cover. My mom had to work her bellybutton off to support me and you know what she was on welfare for a short time and even had to use food stamps. I can remember going to the grocery store out side our town because she was embarrassed to have to use food stamps and didn't want anyone to know.

You know what Lazs when I was in high school in 11th grade I got into a job training program so you could get out of school early each day to go work because I qualified being from a low income single parent home. I didn't go work at McDonnalds or at some other useless job I went out and started a lawn business. I took the back seats out of my 1984 Pontiac Phoenix that I paid for with my own money, so I could stuff all the lawn equipment in it.

Hell I had to lie to my teacher and had a property manager signing my paperwork for class, covering for me by saying I worked for them. The teacher eventually figured out what I was doing but she luckily went along with it.

I busted my bellybutton and had 40 accounts by the end of the first year and by the time I sold the business 10 years later, I was doing nothing but govt contracts and large commercial accounts. Hell man I went from went from working out of a 4 door car to having 10 guys working for me with two trucks before I sold the business. I've since owned 3 other business and am in the process of starting another.

Hell man I bought my first house the day I turned 21 with no co signer back in the late 90's when it was much harder to get a loan than what it is today. I've seen both sides of the fence Lazs and I fully support this country taking care of it's citizens that need help. I am a product of your so called evil liberal socialism and I think I've done a pretty damn good job with the limited opportunity I was given and I'd hate to be such a pompous arus to say others shouldn't have that same chance because there are some that abuse the system.

Why is it you call helping out people socialism but never cry about the billions in hands out to big business? Why do you never concider that Socialism Lazs and why do you always run from that topic?

Public Schools are not a product of socialism Larz they are a product of not enough funding.

Just like a typical Republican you are all for tax cuts yet never complain about the outlandish unchecked spending done by the last 3 Republican presidents. You can't have it both ways.. If you cut the taxes then you have to cut the spending which the Republican party doesn't seem to want anything to do with.
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« Reply #148 on: September 08, 2008, 04:51:27 PM »
Public Schools are not a product of socialism Larz they are a product of not enough funding.

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Not enough funding of what?

The schools?   :rofl

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« Reply #149 on: September 08, 2008, 04:52:16 PM »
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You can't have it both ways.. If you cut the taxes then you have to cut the spending which the Republican party doesn't seem to want anything to do with.

Neither party wants to cut spending. Obama wants to raise taxes so he can spend even more.
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