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« Reply #150 on: September 08, 2008, 04:55:27 PM »
Society can not survive without basic values.  But then again a thief would not know what that means, always taking things they did not earn.

P.S.  And that Church out west that encouraged its people to go on welfare are even more of a threat then people like Obama.

Walmart is a major corporation that tells it's employees to go on welfare.
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« Reply #151 on: September 08, 2008, 04:57:52 PM »
Neither party wants to cut spending. Obama wants to raise taxes so he can spend even more.
Given the track records of the last three presidents from both parties.. I'd have to say there will be less debit added under the Democrats.
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« Reply #152 on: September 08, 2008, 04:59:12 PM »
uh oh!  Did he just say uppity?

Ok so?

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« Reply #153 on: September 08, 2008, 05:02:38 PM »
Walmart is a major corporation that tells it's employees to go on welfare.

That's why I shop at Targets.  Walmart is no friend of the American people either.  You bring opposites to the extreme, they become the same. Big Churches and Big Businesses are just as bad as Big Government.
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« Reply #154 on: September 08, 2008, 05:23:41 PM »
lazs, I may be misunderstanding the term here, but I don't think so.

Surely if a person, for whatever reason, cannot support themselves, it's only right that they should be helped out by the government?

EDIT: clarified who I'm asking about this.


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Here's a link to the constitutional discussion, in detail; on 'social welfare' as contrasted against 'general welfare'.  Bear in mind that this is the United States.. not England. Your system is different.

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« Reply #155 on: September 08, 2008, 05:37:40 PM »
Given the track records of the last three presidents from both parties.. I'd have to say there will be less debit added under the Democrats.

Past presidents from both parties do not necessarily mean these candidates will follow the same paths their predecessors did. McCain plans on using the power of Veto often. Obama wants to raise taxes for more welfare programs. Just how much do you think a national healthcare system is going to cost?
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« Reply #156 on: September 08, 2008, 05:39:33 PM »
Given the track records of the last three presidents from both parties.. I'd have to say there will be less debit added under the Democrats.
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« Reply #157 on: September 08, 2008, 07:43:54 PM »
Crockett, if your story is true then it illumniates the difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Damn few in this country or on this BBS are against giving a person a hand up. You help someone get going and they take it from there.

There are many in this country and on this BBS that are against giving a person a never ending hand out.

Problem is our current welfare system seems unable to differentiate between the two.

The Obamessiah hasn't said or done anything that would indicate he cares to differentiate between the two.
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« Reply #158 on: September 08, 2008, 09:44:10 PM »
You sure do spend a lot of time defending yourself against all these people you are so indifferent to...

I'd have to say you hit that one out of the park!
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« Reply #159 on: September 08, 2008, 10:10:18 PM »
Ok so?

it was a bad joke about the current news of someone referring to obama as an "uppity" person.
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« Reply #160 on: September 08, 2008, 10:11:35 PM »
Crockett, if your story is true then it illumniates the difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Damn few in this country or on this BBS are against giving a person a hand up. You help someone get going and they take it from there.

There are many in this country and on this BBS that are against giving a person a never ending hand out.

Problem is our current welfare system seems unable to differentiate between the two.

The Obamessiah hasn't said or done anything that would indicate he cares to differentiate between the two.

This is true but don't you think the idea would be to better reform the system so there isn't as much room for abuse? Rather than just calling is evil socialism as Lazs would say? I mean think of some of the country's that have zero social programs for the people in need. I can't think of any of them that would be a nice place to live even if you were well off. Do we really want to turn American into a third world craphole because the well off think they are above helping others?
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« Reply #161 on: September 08, 2008, 10:15:25 PM »
I'd have to say you hit that one out of the park!

Do you have a purpose in this topic other than trying to bash me either directly or by proxy? Did I piss in your cheerios at some point and didn't notice? Considering your post was a whine about me "personally" attacking Lazs you sure are being quite the hypocrite.

btw you never bothered to answer about your claim that I "turned" someone in.. I'd love to hear that one, so why not speak up.
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« Reply #162 on: September 08, 2008, 10:18:01 PM »
Given the track records of the last three presidents from both parties.. I'd have to say there will be less debit added under the Democrats.

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

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« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2008, 10:22:42 PM »
It's CONGRESS that spends, taxes and borrows!

Last time I checked it was the president who signs on the dotted line..
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« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2008, 11:30:44 PM »
Last time I checked it was the president who signs on the dotted line..

Lets see...

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Article. II. - The Executive Branch
Section 1 - The President
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Well that's it for the Executive branch...

Oh here it is, in Article. I. - The Legislative Branch  Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

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So it appears the President cannot sign any legislation that Congress hasn't written and approved.

100% certainty that we will have a new president on January 20, but we will still have 98% of the same old congress, and you will be wondering why nothing will change in DC.
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