Christianity, is it

[potsNpans]

Well, back in the day, I had a friend who used to tell me that old egyption sun worship morphed into what we now know as christianity.  He could never explain it to me thoroughly enough for my satisfaction.

 Here recently, I was turned on to zeitgeist which explains much better than I could.

part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

part two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg

part three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg

That this is a very controversial piece should go without saying.  It a "no holds barred", in your face movie if you are a christian, you won't like it.

Well I got as far as 7 1/2 min of part 1.  They should of used fact check.com. The date Dec. 25th they sayas Jesus birth and the 3 stars called 3 kings with the star of the east? The 25th date is a catholic invention(and I can explain that to be specific). The mention of 3 kings is also absent from the bible but wise men from the east is mentioned, and far as the star of the east thats irrelevant. Broad generalities are prolific so far but of this spirit of the age(zietgeist). I give it another shot to see what there talking about

[Hangtime]

Jaged.. seems your spoiling for a fight.

Gonna beat me with your cross?

Explain Infant Damnation.

[JAGED]

Jaged.. seems your spoiling for a fight.

Gonna beat me with your cross?

Explain Infant Damnation.

From the Orthodox perspective, there is no such thing.  That's why the Orthodox split with the Roman Catholics some 1000 years ago.  While Orthodoxy has maintained the faith of the seven ecumenical councils, the Roman Catholics added all sorts of innovations such as tampering with the Creed, Papal infallibility, Purgatory, Limbo, Original Sin, and I could go on.

For the Orthodox, the Catholics have strayed somewhat from the Truth.  There is no Infant Damnation.

[Hangtime]

Ah! So, 'orthodoxy' is the only true faith?

Are you, with a straight face, attempting to convince an agnostic (or a Catholic, or a Lutheran, or any other christian educated human) that yours is the one 'true faith'?

Proof, please!

[moot]

For the Orthodox, the Catholics have strayed somewhat from the Truth. 

Source on said Truth?
dang, beat me to it..

[JAGED]

Ah! So, 'orthodoxy' is the only true faith?

Are you, with a straight face, attempting to convince an agnostic (or a Catholic, or a Lutheran, or any other christian educated human) that yours is the one 'true faith'?

Proof, please!

Don't put words in my mouth as you know as well as I that I never said any such thing; however, the Eastern Orthodox Church certainly believes that is the case, not only for the reasons I mentioned, but also due to the fact that, as an Apostolic Church, they can trace their beginnings to Pentecost.  The Roman Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox can make the same claim as all of these were part of that same church founded at Pentecost.

All forms of Protestanism trace their origins to Martin Luther, The Mormons to Joseph Smith, The Jehovah's to their founder, Scientology to Hubbard, etc.

Their claim is much more reasonable than most... for whatever that is worth to you.  Look it up yourself!

[JAGED]

Source on said Truth?
dang, beat me to it..

As defined by the results of the seven ecumenical councils of the undivided early Church...  Google it!

[moot]

Better yet, type what the gist of that is...

[Hangtime]

Don't put words in my mouth as you know as well as I that I never said any such thing; however, the Eastern Orthodox Church certainly believes that is the case, not only for the reasons I mentioned, but also due to the fact that, as an Apostolic Church, they can trace their beginnings to Pentecost.  The Roman Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox can make the same claim as all of these were part of that same church founded at Pentecost.

All forms of Protestanism trace their origins to Martin Luther, The Mormons to Joseph Smith, The Jehovah's to their founder, Scientology to Hubbard, etc.

Their claim is much more reasonable than most... for whatever that is worth to you.  Look it up yourself!

So.. rather than answering the Infant Damnation question, you sidestep and present a branch of Christianity that does not hold that belief. 'They have strayed from the 'Truth''. Then when challenged on proving that 'orthodoxy' is the one True Faith, you dodge again, toss the Pentecosts in front of the bus and apply first aid after the wreck with 'Their claim is much more reasonable than most'.

LOL!

As always, discussing religion with religionists is like searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there.

Good show tho, I thank you for playing; and you folks at home, stay tuned for the next episode of 'who's god is god, the christian chronicles'.

 

[potsNpans]

Well, back in the day, I had a friend who used to tell me that old egyption sun worship morphed into what we now know as christianity.  He could never explain it to me thoroughly enough for my satisfaction.

 Here recently, I was turned on to zeitgeist which explains much better than I could.

part one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

part two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-mrJf45Hg

part three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAegPhQOUg

That this is a very controversial piece should go without saying.  It a "no holds barred", in your face movie if you are a christian, you won't like it.

Well watched the rest, and if their finale blow against Christianity is that Jesus never lived as a historical person. Apart from biblical sources, you might for yourself look into Tacitus, Pliny the Younger or even Celsus. Also Flavius Josephus a Jewish historian born 37Anno Domini or Common Era wrote of the person of Jesus. If you can find an impartial credible source

[JAGED]

So.. rather than answering the Infant Damnation question, you sidestep and present a branch of Christianity that does not hold that belief. 'They have strayed from the 'Truth''. Then when challenged on proving that 'orthodoxy' is the one True Faith, you dodge again, toss the Pentecosts in front of the bus and apply first aid after the wreck with 'Their claim is much more reasonable than most'.

LOL!

As always, discussing religion with religionists is like searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there.

Good show tho, I thank you for playing; and you folks at home, stay tuned for the next episode of 'who's god is god, the christian chronicles'.

 

Ah, the cynical agnostic dismisses the evidence with meandering thoughts.  I dodged and sidestepped nothing.  If you were looking for the origins of something wouldn't you go to the source? The facts are:

The Orthodox Catholic Church was undivided for the first 1000 years after Pentecost.  During that time, seven ecumenical councils were held and decisions were made by the undivided Church about matters of faith.  When the Catholic contigent started making it's own decisions without the consent of the undivided Church, it became divided, with the Orthodox contigent not adding or subtracting from the decisions of the undivided Church from then to the present, while the Catholic contingent, well, I've already stated some of those issues.

I you want to know about Infant Damnation, you'll have to ask a Catholic.

I would think you would be thrilled that there's an old religion out there that doesn't subscribe to such lunacy... Oh well...

Let the cynicism continue...

[SkyRock]

try again in hebrew.

where do you think Hebrew came from?

[potsNpans]

Jaged.. seems your spoiling for a fight.

Gonna beat me with your cross?

Explain Infant Damnation.

The Biblical doctrine is that mankind is sinful at conception. That is a very brief statement drawn from the original command given to Adam. He failed and as mankinds first parent and representative, we as his prodigy inherited a fallen state as it is sometimes called. It deals with the biblical teaching of one's nature or inclinations toward namely sin. It speaks to man's inability to no longer worship or obey or whatever else you want to call it as we should regardless of one's age. 

[vorticon]

where do you think Hebrew came from?

good dodge. if you are going to make connections like that, do it in a relevant language.

[JAGED]

The Biblical doctrine is that mankind is sinful at conception. That is a very brief statement drawn from the original command given to Adam. He failed and as mankinds first parent and representative, we as his prodigy inherited a fallen state as it is sometimes called. It deals with the biblical teaching of one's nature or inclinations toward namely sin. It speaks to man's inability to no longer worship or obey or whatever else you want to call it as we should regardless of one's age. 

That's only one interpretation.  Another holds that mankind has inheritied only the consequences of Adams failure, namely mortality and death.