Christianity, is it

[Elfie]

The only ones who will be going to Hell are those who learned the truth then turned their backs on it.  I seriously doubt there are many people throughout history that really ever learned the truth.

That is a Gnostic view that is unsupported by Biblical texts.

[Elfie]

There is an old, old story about a theologian who was asked to reconcile the Doctrine of Divine Mercy with the doctrine of infant damnation. 'The Almighty,' he explained, 'finds it necessary to do things in His official and public capacity which in His private and personal capacity He deplores.

I think that is a very good explanation that anyone should be able to understand.

[Hangtime]

Yah.. but Elfie.. think of the irony.. He is playing politics!

[Xargos]

That is a Gnostic view that is unsupported by Biblical texts.

The Church made sure that certain books/texts were forbidden from the bible so as to solidify their power over the masses.  They would kill those who opposed them.


P.S.  I don't get my information from the internet when it comes to religion, so it may take me some time to find links to that.

[Hangtime]

Christians! Practicing Genocide?

No way!

[Xargos]

Christians! Practicing Genocide?

No way!

They're not Christians, only power hungry thugs.

[Hangtime]

but, but, but..... they're Christians!

[E25280]

but, but, but..... they're Christians!

CINOs.   

[JAGED]

What a waste you're turning out to be, part of debating is teaching, you're more concerned in the celebrating of the victory rather than the satisfaction of not only beating your opponent but enlightening him.  "Game over" and "Pwnt" just don't seem to fit in here, but alas, if you want to be an arsehat, it's your perogative.....oooh, theres a related word. 

Besides, I read what you wrote, but I haven't studied it enough to know you're right, but just for friks sake, please state that Orthodox do not believe you go to hell if you deny God exists.....just for the record! 

If I thought you had wanted learn something I might have taken a different tone.  Nothing, I mean nothing in your prior posts can be misconstrued for you requesting some eduction via debate.  You make wild claims that you can't back up and when you ask for back up to my claims, you ignore them.  Having said that, if I had seen your post thanking the community for your education, I might have changed my tune then, but I didn't see it.  

You can think I'm a azhat all you want, but you're the azhat for conducting this debate the way you did.

In the end, I'm glad you learned something...  

As for your request, I can only say that the Orthodox consider that it's possible for such a person not to go hell.

[Hangtime]

CINOs.   

Musta been. 

[Holden McGroin]

Quote from: SkyRock on Today at 10:08:06 AM
Where does God live?  Who did GOd mate with to have a son?  Is there more than one God where God lives?

1. According to tradition, somewhere beyond the upper atmosphere. Admittedly, that does not narrow it down much...

As 99.99......9999.....999999... .99% of the volume of the universe is 'somewhere beyond the upper atmosphere', and God lives everywhere, then saying God lives above the clouds is 99.99......9999.....999999... .99% correct.

[JAGED]

Jaged, I thought we were talking about Christianity... and who's christian god is THE christian god.. if there is a 'christian 'god..

if so...

Catholic 1,050,000,000 Orthodox/Eastern Christian 240,000,000 African indigenous sects (AICs) 110,000,000 Pentecostal 105,000,000 Reformed/Presbyterian/Congregational/United 75,000,000 Anglican 73,000,000 Baptist 70,000,000 Methodist 70,000,000 Lutheran 64,000,000 Jehovah's Witnesses 14,800,000 Adventist 12,000,000 Latter Day Saints 12,500,000 Apostolic/New Apostolic 10,000,000 Stone-Campbell ("Restoration Movement") 5,400,000 New Thought (Unity, Christian Science, etc.) 1,500,000 Brethren (incl. Plymouth) 1,500,000 Mennonite 1,250,000 Friends (Quakers) 300,000

Looks to me like the Catholics have it. By definition of numbers... they must be the one TRUE faith. I mean, a billion 'n a half of 'em can't be wrong. right?

Your pleas for orthodoxy have been rejected by the pope.

On to infant damnation... best explanation I ever heard:

There is an old, old story about a theologian who was asked to reconcile the Doctrine of Divine Mercy with the doctrine of infant damnation. 'The Almighty,' he explained, 'finds it necessary to do things in His official and public capacity which in His private and personal capacity He deplores.

*sigh*

Now, back to the threads topic question... who's got the cat?

Might doesn't make right! Just ask the Democrats when they won the popular vote but lost the election...

"Your pleas for orthodoxy have been rejected by the pope. " Nice one... 

[SD67]

The greatest truths twisted by organised religion for their own benefit.
1) Hell is here and now. If we stuff it up we are doomed to repeat it.
2) We are all within ourselves God. Our higher consciousness defines us and the world we live in and collectively we shape the universe.
3) When we "die" we are indeed judged only it will be YOU passing judgement on your own destiny.
4) Life has nothing to do with right and wrong, good or evil. It is an experience and it is how you interpret and reflect that experience that defines your existence.
An organisation based around a zombie saviour that serves only itself and it's own interests has absolutely nothing to do with any of it.
Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

[Elfie]

Yah.. but Elfie.. think of the irony.. He is playing politics!

Not politics....

As a Just God, he cannot make exceptions for infants simply because they are infants. We are all guilty, even the newborn. A judge that lets one thief go free but jails the next, is that judge handing out justice equally? Of course not.

Rom 3:23  for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

Notice it doesn't say only adults and adolescents, it says for all have sinned.

[Elfie]

The Church made sure that certain books/texts were forbidden from the bible so as to solidify their power over the masses.  They would kill those who opposed them.


P.S.  I don't get my information from the internet when it comes to religion, so it may take me some time to find links to that.

The Gnostic texts were excluded from the Bible, that is true. They were excluded because their teachings were not consistent with the books that were included within the Bible as we know it.