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Re: Lehman Bros Folds, Merrill Lynch Collapsed, AIG going next
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2008, 10:06:00 PM »
Much of the deregulation of banking/credit started with Carter in 1978. The Regan administration continued the trend in 88. Almost every administration has had their hand in deregulation and easing of oversight on the financial community. Money well spent by lobbyists. I think we should pull all the pot heads out of jail and replace them with politicians.

Stick the politicians back in used car lots and emergency room lobbies. I'd rather have a freakin gay interior designer that thinks a lobbyist is a freaking mural painter in the senate or hourse than the current crop of chuckleheads.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2008, 10:09:57 PM »
How exactly did Clinton try to get bin Laden? Clinton had multiple opportunities to kill bin Laden but passed them all up for various reasons. Whether or not all of those reasons are valid is debatable.

 Oh I'm sorry I was under the impression that he sent missles to his base camp 16 or more?

 Maybe you just forgot?
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2008, 10:15:00 PM »
Sure can you provide links that say it didnt or could not have worked. its science not a sure thing thats why we spend mula on it. stopping any avenue to helping is hurting or restricting it.

And yes Clinton tried to get him at least. what did Georgeeboy do? A big Fat Nada?

The only thing that Bush stopped was producing more lines of stem cells for research. 

There were already lines established and those were being used for research...Bush never stopped any research.

So with that, where are those links to the cures that were discovered with the research done using those lines?


How many chances did Bill pass up to get Bin Laden?  And what were those reasons again?  He didn't have a legal reason to do so?  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2008, 10:15:34 PM »
Oh I'm sorry I was under the impression that he sent missles to his base camp 16 or more?

 Maybe you just forgot?

I did forget about that. That was after the attack on the USS Cole? Was bin Laden actually at the camp we sent the cruise missiles to or was it just a general retaliatory strike?

There were other times when the opportunity to kill bin Laden arose and Clinton passed on them.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2008, 10:16:24 PM »
The missile strikes were largely symbolic.

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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2008, 10:19:55 PM »
The only thing that Bush stopped was producing more lines of stem cells for research. 

There were already lines established and those were being used for research...Bush never stopped any research.

So with that, where are those links to the cures that were discovered with the research done using those lines?


How many chances did Bill pass up to get Bin Laden?  And what were those reasons again?  He didn't have a legal reason to do so?  :rolleyes:

 what 7 lines? why not a  million?
 what did George Do?
 where are the links that say it was no good?
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2008, 10:22:53 PM »
what 7 lines? why not a  million?
 what did George Do?
 where are the links that say it was no good?

The point is that there are plenty of documented cures found using adult stem cells and there have been none using embryonic stem cells.

So what's your point?  That we should just keep trying until something good comes of using embryonic stem cells? 

Why?  Just because?  Where's the good solid reason why?

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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2008, 10:23:15 PM »
The missile strikes were largely symbolic.
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2008, 10:28:49 PM »
The point is that there are plenty of documented cures found using adult stem cells and there have been none using embryonic stem cells.

So what's your point?  That we should just keep trying until something good comes of using embryonic stem cells? 

Why?  Just because?  Where's the good solid reason why?
And why is that ? cuase its illegal maybe? and yes we should keep trying with anything we have. you bet there are plenty of frozen eggs we could haved used.
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2008, 10:33:18 PM »
Check out the Blue chips and the exposure to banks because of the Fed they are taking a hit to
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2008, 10:37:09 PM »
The missile strikes were largely symbolic.

Yes Mr Clinton didnt order the launch until hours after Bin Laden had left the area. This was also the day he was trying to distract attention from the Lewinski testimony.
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2008, 10:37:41 PM »
And why is that ? cuase its illegal maybe? and yes we should keep trying with anything we have. you bet there are plenty of frozen eggs we could haved used.
 tell ya what lets move on you said the top of the list
you have failed on this.
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Thanks for the <sarcasm>insightful, fact filled</sarcasm> responses.

I consider your responses to be a litmus test in determining if the rest of the items on your list are worthy of responses.

You failed.

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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2008, 10:39:45 PM »
Thanks for the <sarcasm>insightful, fact filled</sarcasm> responses.

I consider your responses to be a litmus test in determining if the rest of the items on your list are worthy of responses.

You failed.
u got nuthin :aok
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2008, 10:47:39 PM »
Yes Mr Clinton didnt order the launch until hours after Bin Laden had left the area. This was also the day he was trying to distract attention from the Lewinski testimony.

 hahaha the monica thing againyou guys crack me up  I suppose you will say he knew he was going to miss? :rofl
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2008, 10:56:48 PM »
the dems AND the republicans, by an astonishing 90 to 8 vote tossed out the last of the banking regulations that forced the banks and the investment houses to remain separate entities.

 In 1999, the law banning brokerages and banks from marrying one another -- the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 -- was lifted, and voila, the financial supermarket has grown to be the places we know as Citigroup, UBS, Deutsche Bank, et al.

But now that banks seemingly have stumbled over their bad mortgages, it's worth asking whether the fallout would be wreaking so much havoc on the rest of the financial markets had Glass-Steagall been kept in place.

Diversity has always been the pathway to lowering risk. And Glass-Steagall kept diversity in place by separating the financial powers that be: banks and brokerages.

Glass-Steagall was passed by Congress to prohibit banks from owning full-service brokerage firms and vice versa so investment banking activities, such as underwriting corporate or municipal securities, couldn't be called into question and also to insulate bank depositors from the risks of a stock market collapse such as the one that precipitated the Great Depression.


But as banks increasingly encroached upon the securities business by offering discount trades and mutual funds, the securities industry cried foul. So in that telling year of 1999, the prohibition ended and financial giants swooped in. Citigroup led the way and others followed. We saw Smith Barney, Salomon Brothers, PaineWebber and lots of other well-known brokerage brands gobbled up.

At brokerage firms there are supposed to be Chinese walls that separate investment banking from trading and research activities. These separations are supposed to prevent dealmakers from pressuring their colleague analysts to give better results to clients, all in the name of increasing their mutual bottom line.

Well, we saw how well these walls held up during the heyday of the dot-com era when ridiculously high estimates were placed on corporations that happened to be underwritten by the same firm that was also trading its securities. When these walls were placed within their new bank homes, cracks appeared and -- it looks ever so apparent -- ignored.


...Marketwatch. Sept 7 2007

That was Clinton.. and a Republican Congress. FAIL

The protections enacted to prevent another economy busting crash were tossed out and the banks given the green light to play with their mortgage products as investments. This plundering is not partisan.. it is just plain bi-partisan greed.

Enough is enough.. matters not a freakin bit if yer a democrat or a republican.. change out your crooks. Get new ones. Preferably plumbers and comedians. Lets not send the same cretins that voted for deregulation back to the hill.
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