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Offline Odisseo

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URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« on: September 15, 2008, 08:32:04 AM »
I know some of those airplanes have been already asked..I just wanted to make a good "wish post" with all details needed
The 3 view drawings are wery good and have all details needed to design the 3d model and the full rivets and pannels details needed for skinners.
The wing palette display the colours schemes, the number which flew and the year of operation (only URSS, some was operative in other countryes, just extend the search on wing palette to get the total number).



Petlyakov Pe-2



3 view drawing:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe2.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe2-2.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe2aik.zip

wing palette:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/265/1/0

General characteristics

Crew: Three - pilot, gunner, bombardier
Length: 12.66 m (41 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 17.16 m (56 ft 3 in)
Height: 3.5 m (11 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 40.5 m² (436 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,875 kg (12,952 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,563 kg (16,639 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 8,495 kg (18,728 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Klimov M-105PF liquid-cooled V-12, 903 kW (1,210 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 580 km/h (360 mph)
Range: 1,160 km (721 miles)
Service ceiling 8,800 m (28,870 ft)
Rate of climb: 7.2 m/s (1,410 ft/min)
Wing loading: 186 kg/m² (38 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 250 W/kg (0.15 hp/lb)
Armament


2x 7.62 mm fixed ShKAS machine guns in the nose, one of them being replaced by Berezin UB on later versions.
2x rearward firing 7.62 mm ShKAS. From the middle of 1942 defensive armament included 1 Berezin UB machine gun in the upper bombardier's turret, 1 Berezin UB in gunner's ventral hatch and 1 ShKAS, which may be fired by gunner from port, starboard or upper mountings (switch between mountings was performed in-flight in less than a minute). Some planes were also equipped with DAG-10 launcher, firing AG-2 parachute timed grenades.
1,600 kg (3,520 lb) of bombs


Pe-8



3 view drawing:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe8.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe8-2.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/pe8eksprint.zip

wing palette:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/674/1/0

General characteristics

Crew: Eleven
Length: 23.59 m (77 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 39.10 m (128 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.20 m (20 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 188.7 m² (2,030 ft²)
Empty weight: 19,986 kg (43,969 lb)
Loaded weight: 27,000 kg (59,400 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,000 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Mikulin AM-35A liquid-cooled V-12 and then Shvetsov designed air-cooled M-82FN and sometimes diesel M-30 and M-40, 1,000 kW AM-35A 1380 kW M-82FN (1,350 hp AM-35A 1850 hp M-82FN) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 443 km/h (276 mph)
Range: 3,600 km (2,245 mi)
Service ceiling 9,300 m (30,504 ft)
Rate of climb: 5.9 m/s (1,154 ft/min)
Wing loading: 143 kg/m² (29 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 140 W/kg (0.2 hp/lb)
Armament


2x 20 mm ShVAK cannons (dorsal and tail turret)
2x 12.7 mm UBT machine guns (engine nacelles)
1-2x 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns (nose turret)
Up to 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of bombs
Could carry one 5,000 kg (11,000 lb) bomb

Sukhoi SU-2



3 view drawing:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/su2.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/su2airmagazine.zip

wing palette:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/676/1/0

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 10.46 m (34 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 14.3 m (46 ft 11 in)
Height: 3.75 m (12 ft 3 in)
Wing area: 29 m² (312 ft²)
Empty weight: 3 220 kg (7,100 lb)
Loaded weight: 4 700 kg (10,360 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-82 radial engine, 1 044 kW (1,400 hp)
Performance

Maximum speed: 485 km/h (260 knots, 300 mph) at altitude
Range: 1 100 km (595 nm, 685 mi)
Service ceiling 8 400 m (27,560 ft)
Rate of climb: 9.8 minutes to 5 000 m (16,405 ft)
Armament


6× 7.62 mm (0.30 in) ShKAS machine guns (4 in the wings, 1 in upper turret, 1 in the hatch in the floor)
Up to 400 kg (880 lb) of bombs in the internal bomb bay and underwing hardpoints, or up to 10x RS-82 rockets or 8x RS-132 rockets.


Yak-2



3 view drawing:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/yak2.zip
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/yak2-1.zip

wing palette:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/678/1/0

General characteristics

Crew: three
Length: 9.34 m (30 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 14.00 m (45 ft 11 in)
Height: m (ft)
Wing area: 29.4 m² (316 ft²)
Empty weight: 4,000 kg (8,818 lb)
Loaded weight: 5,380 kg (11,861 lb)
Max takeoff weight: kg (lb)
Powerplant: 2× Klimov M-103 V-12 engines, 716 kW (960 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 515 km/h (321 mph)
Range: 800 km (499 miles)
Service ceiling 8,900 m (29,192 ft)
Rate of climb: 650 m/min (2,132 ft/min)
Wing loading: 183 kg/m² (38 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.27 kW/kg (0.16 hp/lb)
Armament


1× 7.62 mm ShKAS machine gun
900 kg (1,984 lb) bombs


Yak-4



3 view drawings:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/yak4.zip

wing palette:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/678/1/0


General characteristics

Crew: two
Length: 10.18 m (33 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 14.00 m (45 ft 11 in)
Height: m (ft)
Wing area: 29.4 m² (316 ft²)
Empty weight: 4,000 kg (8,818 lb)
Loaded weight: 5,845 kg (12,886 lb)
Max takeoff weight: kg (lb)
Powerplant: 2× Klimov M-105 inlines, 821 kW (1,100 hp each) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 574 km/h (358 mph)
Range: 1,200 km (748 miles)
Service ceiling 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
Rate of climb: 920 m/min (3,017 ft/min)
Wing loading: 199 kg/m² (41 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.28 kW/kg (0.17 hp/lb)
Armament


2× 7.62 mm ShKAS machine guns
800 kg (1,764 lb) bombs


Tupolev 2



3 view drawings:
http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/tu2.zip

wing palette
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/676/1/0

General characteristics

Crew: 4
Length: 13.80 m (45 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 18.86 m (61 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.13 m (13 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 48.5 m² (522 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,601 kg (16,757 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,538 kg (23,232 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 11,768 kg (25,944 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Shvetsov ASh-82 radial engines, 1,380 kW (1,850 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 521 km/h (281 kt, 325 mph)
Range: 2,020 km (1,090 nm, 1,260 mi)
Service ceiling 9,000 m (30,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,610 ft/min)
Wing loading: 217 kg/m² (45 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)
Armament


Guns:
2× 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannons in the wings
3× 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in)Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
Bombs:
Internal 1,500 kg (3,300 lb)
External 2,270 kg (5,000 lb)






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Offline Denholm

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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 08:43:03 AM »
One question and one comment:

Isn't it USSR?

I wouldn't mind seeing more variety of bombers, especially if the next two released are the HE-111 and the P.108 to help even the odds of the axis' forces against the allies'. Then I would most definitely support these planes.
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 08:57:23 AM »
I want them all! :aok
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 09:51:32 AM »
Tu-2 would be the best fit for the AH2 game.  It has dual 20mm cannons and 6600lb bomb load (max) with a cruising speed of 275mph @ 8500ft.  Not bad at all for an attack plane, actually it acts more like a medium bomber in dive bomb mode.  :D 

Didnt see service until Jan of '44 and over 1100 we made.  Many of them fought vs. the Japs in the east.

The Pe-2 wouldnt be a bad choice either.  A much smaller gun package (dual .30cals) but still a great bomb load for an attack plane (2600lbs).  Oh, and speed would better than Tu-2 with 336mph @ 8500ft. Started seeing use in fall of 1941.
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 12:56:30 PM »
that Yak-2 is sexy  :aok

We just need them all, screw the He-111 !!!
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 01:07:46 PM »
Sure, continue your pathetic American dynasty.
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »
All of them please, especially the Tu-8, Tu-2 and Pe-2.
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 01:51:56 PM »
One question and one comment:

Isn't it USSR?

I wouldn't mind seeing more variety of bombers, especially if the next two released are the HE-111 and the P.108 to help even the odds of the axis' forces against the allies'. Then I would most definitely support these planes.

Yes it's USSR keyboard trouble (mb need to sleep some more hours) :)

Don't misunderstand me, I think the heinkel 111 and 117 would be great in the game, and instead of the P108 i would prefer (or maybe too) the savoia marchetti, very beautifull airplanes (italians are master on design) but wich had a lot of engine and tecnical troubles... :)
I'm a Russian planes lover, I love the way of thinking of the russ engeniers "what miss cannot get broken". Theyr planes are simple, functionally and beautifull.
The russian airplanes are usually added in flight sims with the usuals lavochkin, yakovlev (we still miss the nr 3!!) and Ilyushin...but no one know the beautifull creatures of petlyakov (Pe-2 wich was in 1940 one of the fastest planes and the best light bomber of the early war), the Polikarpov (I16 "rata" is well know but I never saw it in any sim), Mikoyan (Mig-1 and the great Mig-3), Lavochkin (LaGG-3 wich was one of the best mid war light fighters) and all the family of sukhoy and tupolev airplanes. There is just a great lack of those planes instead of the well known "P" "B" "HE" "BF" "FW" series.
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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 02:25:00 PM »
Yes it's USSR keyboard trouble (mb need to sleep some more hours) :)

Don't misunderstand me, I think the heinkel 111 and 117 would be great in the game, and instead of the P108 i would prefer (or maybe too) the savoia marchetti...

I suggested the P.108 because its an Axis Heavy Bomber which could have striking power comparable to that of the B-17.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 03:30:46 PM »
It's also a very minor aircraft compared to say, the SM.79.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 03:36:15 PM »
Were you referring to the P.108 saying its a very minor aircraft? :confused:
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »
Were you referring to the P.108 saying its a very minor aircraft? :confused:



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SM.79
General characteristics

Crew: six (pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer/gunner, radio operator, bombardier, rear gunner)
Length: 16.2 m (53 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 20.2 m (66 ft 3 in)
Height: 4.1 m (13 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 61.7 m² (664 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,700 kg (16,975 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,050 kg (25,132 lb)
Powerplant: 3× Alfa Romeo 128-RC18 radial engines, 642 kW (860 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 460 km/h (286 mph) at 3,790 m (12,450 ft)
Range: 2,600 km (1,615 mi)
Service ceiling 7,500 m (24,600 ft)
Rate of climb: 5.3 m/s (1,050 ft/min)
Wing loading: 165 kg/m² (33.8 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.173 kW/kg (0.106 hp/lb)
Armament


1 × 20 mm (0.79 in) forward MG 151 cannon
1 × 12.7 mm (0.5 in) dorsal Breda-SAFAT machine gun
2 × 7.7 mm (0.303 in) machine guns in lateral ports (optional)
1,200 kg (2,645 lb) internal bomb load or two external 450 millimetres (17.72 in) torpedoes


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Piaggio 108

General characteristics

Crew: 6 or 7
Length: 22.30 m (73 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 32.00 m (105 ft)
Height: 6.00 m (20 ft)
Wing area: 135.0 m² (1,453 ft²)
Empty weight: 17,325 kg (38,195 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 29,885 kg (65,885 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Piaggio P.XII RC.35 radial engine, 1,120 kW (1,500 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 430 km/h (267 mph)
Range: 3,520 km (2,187 miles)
Service ceiling 8,500 m (27,187 ft)
Armament


5x 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns
2x 7.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns
3,500 kg of bombs


If we do not count the load and the endurance the SM79 was better in all points without forget it could load 2 torpedos.
btw if we can get both way better than only one :)

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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 04:39:22 PM »
Btw there are others great axis bombers (as usual less known than He111 or the Piaggio 108) like:

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JU 287
General characteristics

Crew: two, pilot and co-pilot
Length: 18.30 m (60 ft)
Wingspan: 20.11 m (65 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.70 m (15 ft)
Wing area: 61 m² (655 ft²)
Empty weight: 12,500 kg (27,500 lb)
Loaded weight: 20,000 kg (44,000 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Junkers Jumo 004B-1 turbojets, 8,825 kN (1,984 lbf) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 780 km/h (487.5 mph)
Range: 1,570 km (980 miles)
Service ceiling 9,400 m (30,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 580 m/min (1,890 ft/min)
Armament


Guns: 2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in tail turret
Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of bombs (proposed)

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Do 217 J-2 "attack"

General characteristics

Crew: 3
Length: 18.20 m (59 ft 8½ in)
Wingspan: 19.00 m (62 ft 4 in)
Height: 5.00 m (16 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 57.00 m² (613.54 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,350 kg (20,615 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 13,180 kg (29,059 lb)
Powerplant: 2× BMW 801A 14-cylinder radial engine, 1,560 PS (1,539 hp, 1,147 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 487 km/h at 5,500 m (303 mph at 18,045 ft)
Range: 2,050 km (1,274 miles)
Service ceiling 8,400 m (27,560 ft)
Armament


4 x 7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns in nose with 1,000 rpg
4 x 20 mm MG FF cannons in nose with 250 rpg
2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in dorsal and ventral positions with about 500 rpg apiece

and bomber version

Do 217 J-2

Armament

4 x 7.92 mm MG 81 machine guns in nose and lateral positions
2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in dorsal and ventral positions
Max Load 4,000 kg (8,818 lb) internally & externally.
Max Internal Load 2,517kg (5,550 lb).


and...just dreaming...if we get the Dornier a little Me-328 on his belly as escort ;)

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G8N1

General characteristics

Crew: ten
Length: 22.94 m (75 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 32.54 m (106 ft 9 in)
Height: 7.20 m (23 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 112 m² (1,205 ft²)
Empty weight: 17,400 kg (38,400 lb)
Loaded weight: 26,800 kg (59,100 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 32,150 kg (70,900 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Nakajima NK9K-L 24 "Homare" 18-cylinder radial engines, 1,490 kW (2,000 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 576 km/h (358 mph)
Range: 7,250 km (4,500 miles)
Service ceiling 10,200 m (33,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 457 m/min (1,500 ft/min)
Wing loading: 239 kg/m² (49 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.22 kW/kg (0.14 hp/lb)
Armament


2 × 20 mm Type 99 cannon in each dorsal, ventral, and tail turrets
2 × 13 mm Type 2 machine guns in nose turret
2 × 13 mm Type 2 machine gun in fuselage sides
Up to 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of bombs

Just adding some new not as a wish, but just as general culture ;)

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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 04:44:30 PM »
Were you referring to the P.108 saying its a very minor aircraft? :confused:
Yes. In fact, the P108 is in the B29/Gloster Meteor section IMO... According to wiki, only 24 of the P.108B bomber variant were built.. compared to 1,217 SM.79s.

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Re: URSS Light bombers/attack planes
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2008, 05:02:45 PM »
Wow, all these planes would be really cool additions... That Yak-2 is sweet!!! :aok
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