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Offline Elfie

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Re: Message from Chuck...
« Reply #60 on: September 16, 2008, 03:34:14 PM »
When I think of ghettos I think of a poor neighborhood. I don't immediately think of a poor black neighborhood, or mexican or....well, you get it.
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« Reply #61 on: September 16, 2008, 03:41:16 PM »
the country conservative whine no doubt derived from that daily rush hour commute to get to their city job...  :rofl


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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2008, 03:43:23 PM »
Didn't Elvis do a ghetto song?  wth was that about?
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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2008, 04:11:07 PM »
Local governments DO NOT govern federal lands. Majority of federal land is in public domain and only Congress has the exclusive right to administer the public lands.

I think that this should not be too difficult to grasp.

I'll bet the county sherriff can arrest me if I break the law in the national forest. 

State Game Wardens can cite me for fishing or hunting illegally in a national forest.
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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2008, 04:24:54 PM »
As evidenced by what??

As evidenced by their revenue, budget surplus, low taxes and billions of federal subsidies. There's not much Alaskan can complain about when compared to other states.

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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2008, 04:27:39 PM »
I am a rascist. If you are not a member of the human race I hate you and I will shoot you and eat you (probably in a mixture of peas and carrots).  :D
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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2008, 04:28:02 PM »
I'll bet the county sherriff can arrest me if I break the law in the national forest.
Sheriff has no jurisdiction on federal lands. Although some agreements and cooperation do exist between agencies when it comes to law enforcement, but that's not a rule.

State Game Wardens can cite me for fishing or hunting illegally in a national forest.

Not unless feds hired them to do that.

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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2008, 05:14:41 PM »
Sheriff has no jurisdiction on federal lands. Although some agreements and cooperation do exist between agencies when it comes to law enforcement, but that's not a rule.

It is commonplace.  I doubt there is a National Forest anywhere west of the Mississippi that has only Federal law enforcement.

Ft. Jones, CA (February 26, 2007) - Shawn D. Woodman, a 31-year-old Klamath National Forest employee, lost his life on Thursday evening, February 22, in a car accident. Shawn was driving on Scott River Road when, for unknown reasons, the car left the roadway. A Siskiyou County Road Department employee saw tire tracks going off the road on Friday morning. Later that day, the Siskiyou County Sheriff dive team extracted his body from the vehicle in Scott River. The Sheriff's Department is investigating the accident.

MOUNT MCLOUGHLIN — Officials have called off a search for a missing Beaverton man who apparently traveled last weekend to Southern Oregon for a hiking trip and has not been heard from since.

The hunt for John V. Zazzara, 54, was suspended late Friday, Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger said in a news release.

"It is very difficult to make the decision to scale back any search before a missing person has been found," Evinger said. "In this instance, little is known about (Zazzara’s) intended whereabouts and how he was prepared for his outing. In this case, time and conditions were not in our favor."

Not unless feds hired them to do that.

A quote from the 2008 OREGON BIG GAME REGULATIONS
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Hunt #134 - Upper Deschutes Unit - One buck with visible antler - Oct. 4 - Oct. 15

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/big_game/regulations/2008gamewebnoads.pdf

The Upper Deschutes unit is almost entirely federally owned land.

If I take a doe, I am in trouble with State authorities.

The point is, to take the largest and richest landowner off the property tax roles is a burden that western sparsly populated areas bare more than densly populated areas.  To send tax money to these sparsly populated areas is a way for the feds to pay the local governments tax money that they would normally get if the land were in private hands.

That Alaska gets a big per capita share of federal money is saying two things: not many people live there and the federal government is the owner of the majority of Alaska, and therefore has the majority of responsibility.
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« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2008, 08:23:36 PM »
That Alaska gets a big per capita share of federal money is saying two things: not many people live there and the federal government is the owner of the majority of Alaska, and therefore has the majority of responsibility.

Ah yeah, that justifies $13,534 per capita of federal money for Alaskans (#1), yet Nevada with 86% of federal land gets mere $5,692 (dead last).

What does that say?

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Re: Message from Chuck...
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2008, 10:37:43 PM »
I am a rascist. If you are not a member of the human race I hate you and I will shoot you and eat you (probably in a mixture of peas and carrots).  :D

I'm not that biased. Might be why they cut my screen time from the first season of "Survivor".

"Man, I'm starting to get weak from hunger..."

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« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2008, 11:13:05 PM »
Ah yeah, that justifies $13,534 per capita of federal money for Alaskans (#1), yet Nevada with 86% of federal land gets mere $5,692 (dead last).

What does that say?

Nevada has four times the population of Alaska

Alaska has 272 million acres under federal ownership

Nevada has 141 million acres under federal ownership

272 / 141 = 1.9

1.9 x 4 = 7.6

So Alaskans take care of twice the federal land with 1/4 the people.

7.6 x 5,692 = 43,259

Maybe Nevada is actually doing better than Alaska?

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Per capita federal spending is a statistic that can be bent and twisted to say whatever one wants it to say.
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« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2008, 11:33:07 PM »
nice return there, holden... cross court and euff top spin to keep it there.

 yah still got it.  :aok
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« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2008, 08:47:53 AM »
huh?

What federal monies are we talking about here guys?

Why are we even bringing how much land is federal in a state into the equation?
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« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2008, 12:55:51 PM »
There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Per capita federal spending is a statistic that can be bent and twisted to say whatever one wants it to say.
Listen, per capita spending is a good measure. And before you go too deep into your statistics, federal lands are managed by BLM, NPS, NFS, USDFW, DOD, etc. Alaskans don't have to spend $$ for federal lands. In fact they greatly benefit from those (jobs, mining, oil, fish, game, forestry).

Point is, on top of all the goodies they have, they get subsidies which they don't need and as such ripping off the rest of US.


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« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2008, 01:12:11 PM »
Listen, per capita spending is a good measure. And before you go too deep into your statistics, federal lands are managed by BLM, NPS, NFS, USDFW, DOD, etc. Alaskans don't have to spend $$ for federal lands. In fact they greatly benefit from those (jobs, mining, oil, fish, game, forestry).

Point is, on top of all the goodies they have, they get subsidies which they don't need and as such ripping off the rest of US.

Thats what I thought we were discussing. 

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Per capita federal spending is a statistic that can be bent and twisted to say whatever one wants it to say.

Wow, funny how you're the one looking to use funny statistics to make you look like the w!nner and you even had a cheerleader!

nice return there, holden... cross court and euff top spin to keep it there.

 yah still got it.  :aok

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