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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #135 on: September 24, 2008, 02:18:37 AM »
From the Wall Street Journal which many on both sides respects.....Enter stage lefty...Barny Frank and our 2008 financial CRASH.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122091796187012529.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Fannie Mae's Patron Saint

Taxpayers are now on the hook for as much as $200 billion to rescue Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and if you want to know why, look no further than the rapid response to this bailout from House baron Barney Frank. Asked about Treasury's modest bailout condition that the companies reduce the size of their high-risk mortgage-backed securities (MBS) portfolios starting in 2010, Mr. Frank was quoted on Monday as saying, "Good luck on that," and that it would never happen.

There you have the Fannie Mae problem in profile. Mr. Frank wants you to pick up the tab for its failures, while he still vows to block a reform that might prevent the same disaster from happening again.
At least the Massachusetts Democrat is consistent. His record is close to perfect as a stalwart opponent of reforming the two companies, going back more than a decade. The first concerted push to rein in Fan and Fred in Congress came as far back as 1992, and Mr. Frank was right there, standing athwart. But things really picked up this decade, and Barney was there at every turn.

In 2000, then-Rep. Richard Baker proposed a bill to reform Fannie and Freddie's oversight. Mr. Frank dismissed the idea, saying concerns about the two were "overblown" and that there was "no federal liability there whatsoever."

Two years later, Mr. Frank was at it again. "I do not regard Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as problems," he said in response to another reform push. And then: "I regard them as great assets." Great or not, we'll give Mr. Frank this: Their assets are now Uncle Sam's assets, even if those come along with $5.4 trillion in debt and other liabilities.

Again in June 2003, the favorite of the Beltway press corps assured the public that "there is no federal guarantee" of Fan and Fred obligations. A month later, Freddie Mac's multibillion-dollar accounting scandal broke into the open. But Mr. Frank was sanguine. "I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis," he said at the time.
Three months later he repeated the claim that Fannie and Freddie posed no "threat to the Treasury." Even suggesting that heresy, he added, could become "a self-fulfilling prophecy."

In April 2004, Fannie announced a multibillion-dollar financial "misstatement" of its own. Mr. Frank was back for the defense. Fannie and Freddie posed no risk to taxpayers, he said, adding that "I think Wall Street will get over it" if the two collapsed. Yes, they're certainly "over it" on the Street now that Uncle Sam is guaranteeing their Fannie paper, and even Fannie's subordinated debt.

By early 2007, Mr. Frank was in charge of the House Financial Services Committee, arguing that he had long favored some kind of reform. "What blocked it [reform] last year," Mr. Frank said then, "was the insistence of some economic conservative fundamentalists in the Bush Administration who, to be honest, don't think there should be a Fannie Mae or a Freddie Mac." What really blocked it was Mr. Frank's insistence that any reform be watered down and not include any reduction in their MBS holdings.

In January of last year, Mr. Frank also noted one reason he liked Fannie and Freddie so much: They were subject to his political direction. Contrasting Fan and Fred with private-sector mortgage financers, he noted, "I can ask Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to show forbearance" in a housing crisis. That is to say, because Fannie and Freddie are political creatures, Mr. Frank believed they would do his bidding.

And this is exactly what Mr. Frank attempted to prove when the housing market started to go south. He encouraged the companies to guarantee more "affordable" mortgages, thus abetting their disastrous plunge into subprime and Alt-A loans. He also pushed for, and got, an increase in the conforming-loan limits to allow Fan and Fred to securitize and guarantee larger mortgages. And he pressured regulators to ease up on their capital requirements -- which now means taxpayers will have to make up that capital shortfall.

But the biggest payoff for Mr. Frank is the "affordable housing" trust fund he managed to push through as one political price for the recent Fannie reform bill. This fund siphons off a portion of Fannie and Freddie profits -- as much as $500 million a year each -- to a fund that politicians can then disburse to their favorite special interests.

This is also why Mr. Frank won't tolerate cutting the companies' MBS portfolios. He knows those portfolios (bought with debt borrowed at taxpayer-subsidized rates) were a main source of Fannie's profits before the housing crash, and he figures that once this crisis passes they can do it again. And this time, his fund will get part of the loot.
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Mr. Frank has had many accomplices from both parties in his protection of Fan and Fred. But he was and is among the most vociferous and powerful. In any other area of American life, this track record would get a man run out of town. In Washington, he's hailed as a sage whose history of willful error will be forgotten faster than taxpayers can write a check for $200 billion
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #136 on: September 24, 2008, 02:21:15 AM »
Most of the damage was done by Clinton, Janet Reno and Barny Frank in the 90's. Clinton ordered the Community Reinvestment Act inforced. Reno made examples of banks that questioned it and Barny Frank chaired the committee that controled Fanni and Freddi and would not allow any legislation to thighten over sight on the two institutions. He helped force them to more creatively underwrite bad loans to undeserving minorities right up to the present.

S.900 was bipartisan and Clinton got a strengthening of the Community Reinvestment act in 1999 which helped speed up the bad lending practices. The deregulation of the banking industry was not able to protect anyone from using the bad fanni and freddi mortgage fund and investment devices for business as usual. The deregulation was modeled on how the EU banking practices had been running for quit some time partly to help american banks to stop being mired in litigation for almost every transaction between themselves or EU banks. Everyone bought the investment devices in the US and abroad because they had always been sound reliable instraments to use as secure trading devices.

Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and Barny Frank screwed america. A philanderer, a lesbian and a Gay horndog bent the US over and used sand.

So grow up, actually read these bills in their entireity and see when the seed was sown and by whom. 
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #137 on: September 24, 2008, 08:43:12 AM »
skycrock.. there you go again..  try to say something that I can't disprove so easily.. you did indeed run from another site.. the flamewarriors one.. unless someone is just using your handle and doing a good imitation of you.

I find it interesting that you call me a racist.   I don't believe I am but I will be glad to debate it with you.   

Guns?  Love em..  wish I could afford more.. great American tradition..

When you get caught being a tool of some rumor mill.. you lie and say you were only "trolling"  when you get caught looking stupid as a sack of rocks you say that you are only pretending to be an idiot.

To what purpose.. I have no idea. 

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #138 on: September 24, 2008, 09:20:15 AM »
skycrock.. there you go again..  try to say something that I can't disprove so easily.. you did indeed run from another site.. the flamewarriors one.. unless someone is just using your handle and doing a good imitation of you.

I find it interesting that you call me a racist.   I don't believe I am but I will be glad to debate it with you.   

Guns?  Love em..  wish I could afford more.. great American tradition..

When you get caught being a tool of some rumor mill.. you lie and say you were only "trolling"  when you get caught looking stupid as a sack of rocks you say that you are only pretending to be an idiot.

 

lazs
:rofl  blah blah, lie lie lie, I see why you call people liars, it's to deflect the attention of lying away from yourself. 

 :rofl  I did register at Flamewarriors, I made one post, noone replied.   I don't have time to get into another board, so I haven't been back.  No running involved.  :lol  lie #1 debunked.

 :rofl  You are one of the most biggoted people I've seen on this board, sorry if you don't like it.  Constant attacks on minorities and blaming them for all of US problems, when the white majority in power thieves and milks many more dollars from our citizens.  :lol

 :rofl The last few days you've been leeching to my ankle with a boat load of lies and half-truths and looking like a complete fool for doing so.  Like talking about hours in game when your record hours for trolling the O'club is legendary.  By all means continue to look and act like a hate-filled, racist, stalker, liar, it doesn't bother me one bit!  :lol  :aok

Now, go polish a gun and get off my knob.
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #139 on: September 24, 2008, 09:34:53 AM »
Overall I'd say Lazs is far more respected in the O'Club community that you are Skyrock. :)

Lazs isn't racist, just opinionated like all the rest of us in here.
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2008, 09:38:11 AM »
For a guy that nitpicks every stat put up, you sure aren't too careful about what you post yourself.

You made TWO posts at flamewarriors.net; you'd hammer anyone else for being that far off on a stat.

The thread you started, "Flame away biotches" has 50 posts. Of course you opened it with just a smiley giving the finger so it is hard to decipher what you would call a reply to that.

Your other post about spikes in trees in the Masking Hippies thread drew a reply from AckAck but then the thread died. Not much more to say.

So................... you're not as exacting in your own stats as your are towards others. And you're wrong about no replies; you smiley giving the finger drew a lot of replies.
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2008, 09:38:45 AM »
Overall I'd say Lazs is far more respected in the O'Club community that you are Skyrock. :)

Lazs isn't racist, just opinionated like all the rest of us in here.

Both of those statements made me laugh a little bit.  Good to see a sense of humor is alive and well in the o'club.
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #142 on: September 24, 2008, 09:45:31 AM »
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I did register at Flamewarriors, I made one post, noone replied.   I don't have time to get into another board, so I haven't been back.  No running involved.  Hehe!  lie #1 debunked.

Actually if you go to the list of members, for Skyrock it says 2 posts. So you are off by a factor of 100%.  :uhoh


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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #143 on: September 24, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »
Overall I'd say Lazs is far more respected in the O'Club community that you are Skyrock. :)

Lazs isn't racist, just opinionated like all the rest of us in here.
:rofl  one, respect is only as good as the giver.

opinions are fine, but he enters a new realm with all his hate filled remarks about our citizens. :aok

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2008, 09:53:48 AM »
:rofl  one, respect is only as good as the giver.

opinions are fine, but he enters a new realm with all his hate filled remarks about our citizens. :aok

You haven't done a whole lot to earn respect here in the O'Club so far.  :aok

His opinions aren't hate filled, that is however, how you choose to perceive them.
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #145 on: September 24, 2008, 09:55:19 AM »
You haven't done a whole lot to earn respect here in the O'Club so far.  :aok

His opinions aren't hate filled, that is however, how you choose to perceive them.

Elfie -- Seriously ... are you a born again Christian?

If you do not see the hate and bigotry in his posts
give it up
you are wasting your time
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #146 on: September 24, 2008, 10:01:27 AM »
For a guy that nitpicks every stat put up, you sure aren't too careful about what you post yourself.

You made TWO posts at flamewarriors.net; you'd hammer anyone else for being that far off on a stat.

The thread you started, "Flame away biotches" has 50 posts. Of course you opened it with just a smiley giving the finger so it is hard to decipher what you would call a reply to that.

Your other post about spikes in trees in the Masking Hippies thread drew a reply from AckAck but then the thread died. Not much more to say.

So................... you're not as exacting in your own stats as your are towards others. And you're wrong about no replies; you smiley giving the finger drew a lot of replies.
Toad, I have only been there twice, and that was a week or two ago, maybe three.  I may have posted in another thread, couldnt recall if I did or not, but I do remember about the spiked trees(my apologies for being incorrect).  I know I only started one topic and I thought it would be fun, I checked after a day or so, and didnt see any post to it, so I didnt go back.  Now, if you want to jump on the lazs liar bandwagon, pleas do, he stated that I ran from that sight, and the simple fact is, I just never returned after I saw noone posting on the thread, no running involved at all.  Now, seeing as you say my thread over there has 50 posts, then they must have started posting 24 hours after I left, because trust me, I would have posted a response! :devil  The site sounded like fun.

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #147 on: September 24, 2008, 10:02:48 AM »
You haven't done a whole lot to earn respect here in the O'Club so far.  :aok

His opinions aren't hate filled, that is however, how you choose to perceive them.
Like I said, respect is only as good as the giver. :t

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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #148 on: September 24, 2008, 10:02:52 AM »
Elfie -- Seriously ... are you a born again Christian?

If you do not see the hate and bigotry in his posts
give it up
you are wasting your time


Exactly what does my faith have to do with Lazs posts?
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Re: Paulson Plan: Lazs style socialism at its worst
« Reply #149 on: September 24, 2008, 10:05:35 AM »
Exactly what does my faith have to do with Lazs posts?

it has to do with your posts... you made an observation... and you still ignore the question
Like all of your posts - one liners -- without substance of dialogue
you forgot the smiley this time though
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