The Dogs of War Frame 3 score

[Squire]

"The Yak-9T and P-39 were used for ground attack by the VVS"

This is really a western myth. Most were deployed in the fighter role, however, just like USAAF and RAF fighters, they did strafe, ect, but that was not their primary function. They were also not used as "tank busters" despite having 37mm cannons.

The Eastern Front tended to be populated by tactical bombers and fighters, so the air combats were as a result, at much lower alts, there were no "bomber fleets" at 25k, so more of the fighting tended to be lower down, as it was in much of the Pacific War (at least untill the B-29 missions late in the war). Another difference was the air units in the East tended to be deployed much closer to the front, in primitive temporary strips, and were highly mobile.

[442w30]

No, I had the Axis in a more defensive role in this setup, they had 4 targets to defend and 3 targets to attack, per frame. Now, you have to throw in the variables of: its easier to CAP than attack, the quality differences in the a/c, and the ratios of the sides in all that. I really tried to make it a fair contest, but its never easy to do. There are discos, side commit levels, and other factors that may skew it (and almost always do).

In the end, this is what you have to realise about FSO scoring. Its done to give both sides a "purpose" (which is vital to do), but its entirely secondary to the event itself. Players should not obsess over "scores", and just try and have a good, immersive, fun FSO. That being said we do try and get it "balanced" but its a lot harder than you might think, as you can see from the scores in some past FSO designs. Its like trying to hit a moving target.

Ok in the initial scoring post, you said this. "Air to air this was a very even frame (only 10 kills apart), with both sides protecting their bomber forces very well. The allies managed to pound the targets with more ordnance this frame and got the edge in ground points."

I understand this and in the future will do the math on the objects side of things.  Thanks for the explanation. 

I think the Axis pilots did a great job.  Down on numbers by ~40 at the start and with a squad that never showed.  The ones who did were great. 

[CHAPPY]

Was a good frame for the JG2.
Keep up the good work FSO team.

[daddog]

From what I recall Alpo is correct. It seems that we had many squads that were below commitment (but not more than 2 under commitment levels) and then the discos largely hit the defensive squads even more.

Since this was brought up, I have to apologize. My squad was very low in numbers and I did not see it coming. Most of the time I can, but I was totally off this FSO. 

[Vulcan]

"The Yak-9T and P-39 were used for ground attack by the VVS"

This is really a western myth. Most were deployed in the fighter role, however, just like USAAF and RAF fighters, they did strafe, ect, but that was not their primary function. They were also not used as "tank busters" despite having 37mm cannons.

IIRC the russians often removed the 37mm on the P39, and only had HE ammo for it.

[SpiveyCH]

     Guess the C-HAWKS are making friends.  Just have to ask you Odee, what did we do to you to justify the name calling.  We are the 364th Fighter Group C-HAWKS.  We were the Hawks in Air Warrior and were on the Cz side, thus the C-HAWKS. 

     Again, what did we do to you?  What could have possibly set off your grade school defense mechanism? 

     If it was because we towered out after our run in the stukas, we were ordered to do so.  I know your not much for following the orders set out by the CiC, but I try to do so.  Would really bring FSO down, if everyone just did their own thing.  I follow the orders set out by the CiC and hope they will do the same for me, when it's my turn to CiC. 

[Odee]

 

Sans the discos, was a great last frame for the 49th and the Chicken Hawks.

 

I have been informed that the C-HAWKS do not like the term I used in the quote above.

I offer my most profound apollogies if my salute to them came off as an insult.  It was in no way meant to be derogatory.

Great job C-Hawks!

 

[Odee]

  Check your PM's sir.

        If it was because we towered out after our run in the stukas, we were ordered to do so.  I know your not much for following the orders set out by the CiC, but I try to do so.  Would really bring FSO down, if everyone just did their own thing.  I follow the orders set out by the CiC and hope they will do the same for me, when it's my turn to CiC. 

[Shifty]

     Guess the C-HAWKS are making friends.  Just have to ask you Odee, what did we do to you to justify the name calling.  We are the 364th Fighter Group C-HAWKS.  We were the Hawks in Air Warrior and were on the Cz side, thus the C-HAWKS. 

SpiveyCH,

On behalf of the 49th and myself please accept our apology to you and your squadron. Odee wasn't aware of the history of your squad and made an assumption on the name. I hope we can drop this missunderstanding here and move on. We look forward to flying with you guys again.
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[noTch]

From what I recall Alpo is correct. It seems that we had many squads that were below commitment (but not more than 2 under commitment levels) and then the discos largely hit the defensive squads even more. Bad luck there, but some of those squads didn't have much of a chance. In fact unless I missed it, one squad (defensive patrol) was a complete no-show.  They were defending 30 with another squad.  30 was annihilated.  The other squad was, JV44, a 4-6 commitment and showed up with 2 pilots, which is within FSO guidelines. But the loss of the entire other squad left only 2 defenders at 30. For the record, I thought JV44 fought well in light of the circumstances.    

As CO for the JV44 Butcher Birds, I want to thank you for your kudo's and kind words. Our Squad is in a state of restructure and will endeavor to meet future commitment levels. I was one of the two that showed & yes it was a blood bathe for myself and Eastwood. We had every P39 and Yak-9t pilot exactly were we wanted them. It was a target-rich environment &  two the greatest,,,,,,,,,,phfftttttttttt,  ,,,,,we got slaughtered. It was a blast

I think the game is in a state of low usage. People are still outside doing summer stuff and as soon as the sun starts going down earlier, we will see an influx of more dedicated participants.