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Offline Minotaur

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« on: February 07, 2000, 09:31:00 PM »
HTC;

I would like you to be aware of a scenerio that happened in the arena today.

One team was getting pounded, they only had two bases left.  A couple of players from the team who was getting pounded switched to the team who was doing the pounding.

Why?  They did it for the sole purpose of forcing an arena reset.  Let me say, this was pretty much OK in IMO.  I don't find fault in them doing it and actually found it rather amusing.  It is in the game, and they played the game.  Enough said....

What bothered me about it, was that it was accomplished with the aid of a third person.  This (I assume) was a person who normally played for the team who was doing the pounding.  This player was relatively new (I assume), and had not changed teams to become part in this scheme.

Well, after the arena was reset and after the jibes and insults died down.  The two players switched back to their original team.  Leaving this third person, who was pretty much used as a "Patsy", to face the wrath of his/her teamates.

This players comment?  "WTF did I do, I was just trying to help out" and "Sorry, but I  did not know that would happen". (This was not exactly what was said, but approximates content)

I don't know if this player switched teams or logged off.  I felt very badly after that.  You can assume that I still do.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2000, 11:27:00 PM »

Switching sides to force a reset is lame.  If you can take a base for one side, you should be able to find a way to take one for your team that's on the down side.

FWIW, the fellow that "helped" was asked several times not to do so and was explained why not.  It's not like he didn't know.  That said, I didn't razz him for it, maybe he didn't really understand.  Although there was lots of insults slung about, very few were at that guy.  The other two who switched to force a reset DID get berated and yelled at a bunch... but it goes with the territory.  I'm sure they expected it.  Still, recruiting other unsuspecting team-players to their cause was rather low of them, but then they kept getting killed trying to do it themselves.

I think it's a dweebish move to switch to force a reset, but it's part of the game.  If you are gonna do it, just please do it yourself and don't suck any poor newbie into helping you.  There are lots of really dweeby things you can do in these sims, just don't expect to do them and not get some HATE (tm) thrown at you.  

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Offline MarkVZ

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2000, 05:52:00 AM »
I'd like to take my time to adress this issue.
  Last night was my last night in Aces High.  Bishes were getting gang banged as usual, down two bases without dar.  Me and another squadmate agreed that it was time to switch sides and get a reset, or else we would be gang banged without radar all night.  In no way did we make an aliance with the bishes to allow this to happen, they fought us to the end.  I took a bomber up and killed ack at 2, while my squadmate took the goon.  Just after I had killed ack, a newbie rook player came on and asked where a goon was needed.  "2" I said overt the buffer, and he was on his way.  My squadmate got shot down a few times on his way, but low and behold, the newbie makes the drop, the base is captured, and the rooks  go back to where they belong.  No more gangbanging for the bishes!  We have dar back!  Yes!
  What bothers me is that I was called a spy and a cheater by CaveJ and his friend Lephturn.  They requested that nobody help us, told both of us bastidges to f*ck off, and broadcast over the neutral channel that we were spies.  We did not cheat in any way.  After the reset, they got even more billigerant to us.  Childish stuff like Nobody call Mark or (squadmate's) 6 from now on!  The profanity and insults continued.  I was REALLY dissapointed by this childish attitude, and when I got the subscription prompt next time I logged on, I closed it and went on with life.  The beating me and my squadmate took from CavemanJ and Lephturn last night was really poor, and I don't think I'm ready to be part of this community yet.  I can't belive that someone can be so immature to treat someone this way, and I'm not going to take any more of it.  
  For all the Bishes I've flown with, I'd like to say thanks so much for the great times, and thanks Hitech for the free beta which I took part in.  I hope some of my ideas lead to a better game, and best of luck to you.

Have fun guys! (Even you CaveJ and Lephturn, Lighten up a LOT!)


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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2000, 06:19:00 AM »
LOL !
So That's where you were...
I get it now...hummmm  


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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2000, 06:58:00 AM »
Mark,

Please don't worry about what some people have to say.  They are nobody important.  They were most likely upset that they could not get their easy vulch kills anymore.  A major disregard there.

Any sim pilot worth their sand will do a "6" callout to any countryman, regardless!! (Unless very extreme)

I need to give you what I believe is good advice.  Fly Knights!    

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2000, 07:36:00 AM »
Mark,
I hope you reconsider and sign up.  I've enjoyed flying with you and always respected your team approach to saving real estate when I'm on the opposite side.  I also like being a part of those raids you have organized in the past!

If you do decide to sign up, I'll fly with you, and even give you 6 calls.  

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2000, 08:55:00 AM »
This was transpiring as I logged on last night and the only problem I had was that because of the 1hr rule the two guys were locked on our channel for a while and there was lots of ...Banter about the respawn. I realize that for the most part they were just responding but it would have been best to just squelch and wait till they could return to Bish land. I would do what they did. As a matter of fact I switched to knight last night to try to aggrivate bish -knight relatations a bit. Only to find out that after my hour I was locked in knight land for 12 hours!!!
man.
I found out that knights talk about wierd things on their channnel...performing oral sex on each other and stuff...we rooks normaly limit such remarks to the sheep....
But I guess it works for their team building..



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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2000, 09:10:00 AM »

Woah MarkVZ, I NEVER used language like that.  Yes, I disagreed with what you did and let you know it, but I think the word "dweeb" was the word I used most to describe you last night.  I don't think Cave was out of line asking the rest of the Rooks not to help you.  Your subsequent verbal responses caused much of the resultant fracas.  What started out as teasing and spreading a bit of HATE (tm) for fun turned ugly later on, but you will notice I stayed out of that.

You are right, you were not cheating.  I said this last night as well and on open channel.  I still think it was a very dweebish move though.  You CAN do it in the current system, but if you think you can switch sides to force a reset and not take any heat for it on the radio, you are dreaming.  There are a bunch of Rooks who worked at destroying infrastructure and taking bases to get in an advantageous position.  When you switch sides to force a reset you make it so they can't even shoot you down in response, and that isn't the "right" way to play in my view.  Do what you want, but understand that the only avenue left to show dis-approval is the radio buffer, so you will see the results there.

Now I'm not saying I have a hate on for you or anything like that.  I hope you stay with the game.  BUT, if you are going to do something artificial like switch sides to force a reset, expect to take some heat for it, that's all.

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Offline Kieren

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2000, 09:52:00 AM »
I only have one question: what's wrong with resetting?

Are you saying you want to confine a country to a couple of fields? What is the point? Lord, I hope it isn't to be able to rack some easy kills! Two countries crunching one side down for continuous vultching is far more dweebish than reset IMHO.

Of course, I wasn't there, and don't know what happened (other than what is stated). I do know Mark, and find him to be a great guy (though always an opponent). I won't believe there was anything malicious about his intentions. YMMV.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2000, 10:30:00 AM »
I aggree. I like to get a vulch in too. But a 2 field cage can only be maintained by an alliance between the other two counties. That is worse if extended for more than about an hour in my opinion....
We all hate the feeling when both other counties are ignoring each other and hitting us..
We can all take it for a while cause what goes arround comes arround..
But over about an hour of it wrecks the night I think and I am not against tacktics to try to stop it. I favour the switch sides and creat animosity between the allies tactic but there is no real difference.
It was just the tone last night that got bad.


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Offline Minotaur

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2000, 11:05:00 AM »
I did my best to leave all the names out of this disscussion.  I should have known better.  For those involved, please except my apologies.  But, what did I expect?

I don't remember much profaninty, but the jibing and the teasing did go on for a while.  But, what did you expect?

My only concern was how the game forced a frustration upon players that provoked a new strategy of game play. This time, by a team cornered with no hope of escape.

This is NOT what the designers intended I am pretty sure, but an unexpected side result.  Like I said.  I thought it as kind of funny at the time, until the end.

I also felt very badly for newbie player X.  I wonder if that person is going "Wow", what a night on AH.  Not clearly understanding what the heck happened, because "I was just playing the game?".

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2000, 11:15:00 AM »
I saw what was going on and it was ridiculous.  What gives someone the right to decide to keep another country down to one vultched field?  What gives someone the right as some self-appointed "Lord of the Game" to tell someone he cant drop troops on a enemy field?  And so what if there is a reset???

Damn this kinda crap is dissapointing.  So, some new guy works hard to help capture a field.  He was trying hard to do what he thought was the right thing to do, help his country secure a victory.  And you know what? He was right to do it!  

I went private with the guy, told him he did the right thing and he should ignore the two that were giving him a hard time.  Anybody doesnt like it, offer to pay his $30 a month, if he accepts, then and maybe only then do you have a right to tell him what to do.

Time to think of the other guys playing this game on all the other countrys.  You pound them down, keep them to only one heavily vultched field and they will leave the game. I dont know about anyone else, but I cant help but think this game would be mighty boring without enemy to battle with.

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2000, 02:23:00 PM »
Just don't lump me into "the two that were giving him a hard time".  I slung some jibes at MarkVZ and his buddy that switched sides, but I did not say anything to the other Rook fellow that helped them.  It isn't that big a deal to me, and I just ignored the conversation once things got too nasty.  I managed a 5 or 6 kill sortie in there somewhere, so I was a bit busy a bunch of the time.  

I don't have ANY trouble with Rooks taking the last field and causing a reset.  If somebody is going to do that however, I do appreciate some warning so I don't get stranded DEEP in enemy territory or on the runway as a field turns during the reset.  The only thing I think is "dweeby" IMHO, is switching to the enemy team for the sole purpose of causing a reset.  It's not like there were only 5 guys online... I think they could have taken back a base or two with a bit of organization instead of switching sides and forcing the reset so we don't have any way to stop them.  (Some of us could have switched... but most don't want to get stuck on the wrong side of the fence afterwards.)  FWIW, Cave and I were busy engaging the Knights at F8 when the Biscuits pulled his move.  I was between F4 and F8 the entire time, and I know there was a bunch of Nit/Rook action along that whole front.  The idea that the Nits and the Rooks ignored each other to beat on the Biscuits is just wrong.  Cave and his crew put together an organized strike and pounded the Biscuits into submission, and then moved on.  Why the Biscuits didn't just organize a strike of their own, I don't know.

What I can't understand is how somebody could do this and not expect to be given a hard time on the radio.  I'm not shocked or even surprised that somebody did this, just surprised at the explosive reaction when they got razzed over it.

Just FYI, I was online on and off all of Monday.  For most of the day the Rooks were down to only a few fields and were being beat-on by both the Biscuits and the Nits.  I log on after dinner in the evening and see that CaveJ and his crew have worked their butts off and been base-taking and smashing strat.  Cave planned to beat down one side, then go beat down the other for a while.  When the Rooks switched to beat on somebody else, these folks could have taken some bases back with ease.  But instead, they took the easy way out and switched sides to force a reset in a way that our team can't respond to.  I spent the whole day flying out of F10 with both Biscuits and Nits all around, but nobody resorted to this move.  I can understand them doing it out of frustration, but if they just either didn't say anything or were good-natured about the heat they took for it, there would have been no big problem.

Dago sez: "What gives someone the right to decide to keep another country down to one vultched field? What gives someone the right as some self-appointed "Lord of the Game" to tell someone he cant drop troops on a enemy field? And so what if there is a reset???"

LOL, nobody has the "right", but if ya got big guns, you have the ability.  Anybody can take any field they want, I have no problem with that.  It's just that the Bishies have the same weapons we have, so the way to stop it is to organize and strike back... you have the same big guns.  A reset isn't a big deal... unless you were the guys that did all of that work to gain an advantageous position.  In that case, you will obviously take a dim view to somebody un-doing it all by switching countries so you can't even oppose them.  I'm not saying it's "wrong" to do it, it's just the dweeby way IMHO.  If you do it, expect to take heat from the guys that got the advantage the hard way in the first place.


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Offline Kieren

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2000, 02:57:00 PM »
More power to a country that can run another one off the map- that is one of the purposes of the game. And I can understand Leph's desire for a bit of a warning WRT an impending reset... it isn't fun to get caught far behind the lines low over a field at reset.

Still, I hope it never comes to the nightly routine of crushing one side down to two fields for continuous vultching. Such I believe may have been the case Saturday, with Rooks to the north and Bish to the south of F9, Knights fighting both sides from 3 remaining fields. Hard to say what the intent was for sure, but it seemed the only real attempt was to blind the Knights so the situation could be perpetuated.

What was it Curly said one time? "I'd kill them both, the one guy because he was the enemy, the other for playing with his food too long."

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2000, 03:05:00 PM »
Ditto what Kieren said.

As for the rest of this, I think its just another example of the problems of a 3 country arena.  One country is always going to be getting gangbanged, and there isn't any real way around that.  That people on the gangbanged country feel they have to change sides to force a reset is not a glorious example of how this set up works.  It is a measure taken by people who aren't having fun to try to enjoy themselves.  I'm still interested to see what happens when we get the free 8 person arenas.   What number of people will be interested in staying in the arena while their country is getting ganbanged when they have the option of more fair 8 person dogfights?  We'll see.

Later Mark, if you do indeed leave, make sure to check back in down the road.

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