Author Topic: gamey bombing (Read 2995 times)

smokey23 · « **on:** November 19, 2008, 02:00:09 PM »

I know this has been brought up a few times in the past but in my opinion it needs to be revisited. The powers that be should look into handicapping the heavies such as B-24's - Lancs, being used as gv killers i set there the other night watching lancasters and B-24's divebombing ground vehicles and watching lancasters dive in at 10K divebombing a CV those particular bombers were never used as divebombers they were level bombers nothing more and for those that use them for a divebombing aircraft should be ashamed. It can be cured by HTC if they make the bombay doors "auto close" when the aircraft reaches more than a 5 degree nosedown angle. I love playing this game and its my opinion that small corrections like these could make the game we love even better. More challenging, This doesnt mean the B-25 should be done this way ive seen vid of low level B-25's bombing colums of german vehicles so i dont have a problem with them being used for this but the large bombers should be handicapped.

Let the scalping begin

Denholm · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:16:20 PM »

To each their own. After all, they're paying the $15.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:21:49 PM »

Quote from: smokey23 on November 19, 2008, 02:00:09 PM

I know this has been brought up a few times in the past but in my opinion it needs to be revisited. The powers that be should look into handicapping the heavies such as B-24's - Lancs, being used as gv killers i set there the other night watching lancasters and B-24's divebombing ground vehicles and watching lancasters dive in at 10K divebombing a CV those particular bombers were never used as divebombers they were level bombers nothing more and for those that use them for a divebombing aircraft should be ashamed. It can be cured by HTC if they make the bombay doors "auto close" when the aircraft reaches more than a 5 degree nosedown angle. I love playing this game and its my opinion that small corrections like these could make the game we love even better. More challenging, This doesnt mean the B-25 should be done this way ive seen vid of low level B-25's bombing colums of german vehicles so i dont have a problem with them being used for this but the large bombers should be handicapped.

Let the scalping begin

What do you want stopped? Heavy bombers being used to kill GVs or to stop the dive bombing or both? I disagree with any sort of limitations imposed to prevent them from being used to kill GVs. However, I do agree with the dive bombing part, it's just a case of players taking advantage of some design flaw to game the game. I've always felt a dive angle limiter would cure that problem.

ack-ack

Spikes · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:52:59 PM »

The normal country ch talk nowadays:
"CV off A###"
...
"cc, upping lancs now will kill it"

It's a given these days, if you see a CV, it'll be carpet bombed. Would love to see light bombers killing CVs more, heck even SBD's, B5N's, etc...I know this game isn't historical, but isn't it nice to see some obsolete planes once in a while.

whiteman · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2008, 02:56:40 PM »

might be just me but when i ever i get within range of a CV 5" with a SBD, TBM, B5N or something similar i get turned into millions of pixels. I can only remember once actually dropping on one, mostly use F6F for bombing ships.

Coogan · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2008, 03:11:17 PM »

Not everyone bombs in this manner, and I feel that putting any restrictions on the bombers are going to piss off a lot of people. Just because of the actions of a few. It makes me mad to see a set of Lancs. come in, drop their ords, and then bail out. Rinse and repeat. That is a dweeb at his/her finest.
All I mainly do is bomb and if you ever see my B-17 coming into an enemy base at 10k, well then there is something wrong with my aircraft. I know for a fact that a lot of other people feel this way too.
It takes me a good 30 minutes to get to my bombing alt. So say I'm over a base and getting my arse jumped by cons. I know I will be shot down and don't have time to get in the bomb-scope to calibrate. If i'm over the base I'm going to open my doors and drop, then hope I hit something. It would be shame that I couldn't drop my bombs, because my nose was pitched down too much by a few degrees. This is saying I may be at 20k and trying to fly a little defense on these cons that are trying to blow me out of the sky. I'm almost certain that in this scenerio my bomber could be at any AOA when I drop.

Just my $.02

Coogan

smokey23 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2008, 03:38:35 PM »

I agree coogan im not talking about a defensive move and usually when youre defensive youre not in youre bombsight lineing up a target. Im refering to those that fly at 1 or 2K and pitch a lanc over at 45 degrees just to bomb a few GV's at a spawnpoint. The shear load stress on those wings would tear them off. I just think an angle limiter on the bombay doors in the few heavy bombers we fly wouldnt be a bad thing.It would greatly improve the realism of the game. I know its a game but why not make it as realistic as possible in my book that would be a much more pleasureable way to spend my $15.00 this isnt a whine so dont take it wrong its just something i noticed and thought it was really gamey. Product improvement is the key to a long life in the business world.

ACK-ACK I am talking about stopping the divebombing being done by those in lancasters and other large bombers that were never designed or used for that purpose

SmokinLoon · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:00:52 PM »

I have no issues with heavy bombers killing GV's or taking out hangers, etc... however, they shouldnt be doing it at 1000ft or less.

I cant stand the "gaming the game" tactics. It is an abuse of the sim and it does nothing but take away from the game in itself. Few things annoy me in this sim-game as much as "Lanca-stukas" and then having player bail at first chance.

This is a problem that could be EASILY solved with a bit of coding. ALL heavy and hvy-medium bombers must be at 5000ft in order for the "bomb trigger" to work and drop bombs. Any bomber that has a max bomb loadout of 3999 lbs or less (or kg equiv) **internally** would be exempt. The B25, Boston, A20, Ju88, and Ki67 would all be free to perform the low level dive bomb just as they did in WWII (not sure about the Ki67 though). But the Lancs, B17, B24, and B26 would all be regualted to 5k or higher. If the hvy bombers pilots want to bomb gv's then let them set up thier carpet bomb runs just like the real thing.

I can already hear the "its my $15 and I'll play as I want to...". Sure thing, go for it. But if HTC ever corrects the issue then you'll have to do you dive bombing in aircraft meant for such endevors.

skribetm · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:04:57 PM »

Don't they have high cap fighters over carrier task groups to discourage bombers? Also, the harrassment bombers get while setting the bombsight on a moving target will usually work effectively to foil level bombing cv's. as for dive bombing lancs, theyre the easiest kill i get when im setting high cap(10-15k) over friendly cvs.

so my advise, set fighter cover over your cvs. bombers are easy kills.

SmokinLoon · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:09:22 PM »

Quote from: skribetm on November 19, 2008, 04:04:57 PM

Don't they have high cap fighters over carrier task groups to discourage bombers? Also, the harrassment bombers get while setting the bombsight on a moving target will usually work effectively to foil level bombing cv's. as for dive bombing lancs, theyre the easiest kill i get when im setting high cap(10-15k) over friendly cvs.

so my advise, set fighter cover over your cvs. bombers are easy kills.

You just answered a question that no one asked.

This thread is about stopping the abuse of the low level dive bombing heavy bombers.

Tilt · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:09:47 PM »

Level bombers with bomb sights should be forced to release from F6 view after recalibration.............

Dive bombers should be classified as attack and then have formations and the F3 view dissabled.

The classic aplication would be the ju88 which was both a dive bomber and a level bomber.

Choose bomber you get formation options but can only release from F6 view after re calibration but have an optional F3 view in game.

Choose attack you do not get formations or an F3 view option but the pilot can release bombs.

mix and match for other ac.

Then these ac will be flown as they were intended to do because gaming it further becomes much more difficult and much less rewarding than it is now.

Delirium · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:15:47 PM »

Quote from: SpikesX on November 19, 2008, 02:52:59 PM

Would love to see light bombers killing CVs more, heck even SBD's, B5N's, etc...I know this game isn't historical, but isn't it nice to see some obsolete planes once in a while.

You won't see torpedo planes much with all CVs moving at flank speed all the time. I understand why it is done (to help a/c take off without any wind enabled in the arena), but it makes the torpedo planes have even less of a chance they did historically.

Coogan · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2008, 04:27:52 PM »

As it is now, bombs must travel 1000' through the air before they become armed. Why not just increase that distance to 5000' for the heavy bombers. It could be more or less than 5000', I just picked that number at random.

Coogan

comet61 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2008, 05:55:44 PM »

I wouldn't consider a B26 a "heavy" bomber" per se, though it can be , but it also can be used as an attack plane or strafer...

hyster · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2008, 06:17:57 PM »

changing the ack on the task group would help. how many times have u seen bombers flying over a cv at 2-3k straight through the ack with little damage? yet a fighter will get blown outs the sky at 20k alt and over 10k distance.

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