SdKfz 251/22 PAK-40 Modification

[swareiam]

Is there already a request in for this one?

This would be a great GV addition to the stable.

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[CAVPFCDD]

looks cool, that one of those kraut 88's that were so good?

[Denholm]

That would be a nice addition to the game. No, I do not believe that there is already a request for one.

Sure would make GV'ing a bit more interesting.

[swareiam]

looks cool, that one of those kraut 88's that were so good?

No Sir, I believe that is a 40mm Anti-Tank artillery piece. The 88mm artillery piece on the Tiger tank is twice that size and some change. I think this addition would get the SdKfz 251 into the MA more often as well.

Cheers 

[Greebo]

It's a 75mm anti tank gun. Not sure why you would want this though, it has essentially the same firepower as the Panzer IV but with lousy armour and no turret.

[swareiam]

It's a 75mm anti tank gun. Not sure why you would want this though, it has essentially the same firepower as the Panzer IV but with lousy armour and no turret.

Yes, I stand corrected that is a 75mm Anti-Tank artillery piece. Even better! Well, think of it like this, self propelled artillery was never meant to go toe to toe with tanks. It sits off in the distance and PICKS its enemies apart. The ENY value on a Panzer IV is 25. The ENY value on a SdKfz 251 is 40. I see some nice points there as well as getting a nice thought more playing time in the MA.

  Greebo "Nice F6F Skills"...

[Iron_Cross]

I like it.    Would be a great town killer, plus an nice ambush vehicle.

[splitatom]

there was a heaver German half that had an 88 mounted on it only like 50 were built i think the pak 40 was 75 mm the same one in the panzer IV

[USRanger]

C'mon Waffle!  You know you want the SDk used more after spending all that time modeling it!

[Rino]

     A few years ago I spoke with a gentleman who served on one of those.
He said the major disadvantage of putting a large gun on a halftrack was that
you attracted attention from tanks mounting the same size gun but a whole
lot more protection.

[SmokinLoon]

Hmmm... I like the idea of having available a halftrack w/ a 75mm cannon mounted.  I suggested the Sdkfz 251/9 numerous times in various threads.  It would give LVT4-type support for taking down towns and other OBJ.

This version with the PAK-40 installed would give it tank killing ability for sure, but how would it serve as an OBJ killer?  Meaning, yeah we all know the PAK-40 has a good HE shell, but would it offer the same rate of fire and HE ability as the Sdkfz 251/9 and the designated infantry support gun?  If the 251/PAK-40 were put into the game with hope of it being an equal to other tanks... it offers nothing the Pzr cant already due with far more armor protection.

I'll for sure vouch for the 251/9, but I'll put on hold my endorsement of the PAK-40 version for now. 

[Iron_Cross]

This vehicle would better delineate the roll of the tank as an anti-tank platform rather than as a town basher.  Yes we would have the Panzer that has the same type of gun, but now the panzer's role would primarily be anti-tank not town bashing.  This would also further delineate the role of the wirble, as an anti-air platform, not a town basher.

[Lusche]

This vehicle would better delineate the roll of the tank as an anti-tank platform rather than as a town basher.  Yes we would have the Panzer that has the same type of gun, but now the panzer's role would primarily be anti-tank not town bashing.  This would also further delineate the role of the wirble, as an anti-air platform, not a town basher.

People would still choose Panzer over SdK for town bashing, because of the offered protection (town ack! strafers!) and the bigger ammunition loadout. The SdKfz 251/22 carried only a total of 22 rounds.

In game terms, the Wirble carries an ord equivalent of 12,000lbs when shooting at structures, the Panzer IV (all HE) 12,480lbs and the 251/22 would carry 3,432lbs.

[moot]

An artillery variant would be a better addition.. We still don't have one of those.

[swareiam]

People would still choose Panzer over SdK for town bashing, because of the offered protection (town ack! strafers!) and the bigger ammunition loadout. The SdKfz 251/22 carried only a total of 22 rounds.

In game terms, the Wirble carries an ord equivalent of 12,000lbs when shooting at structures, the Panzer IV (all HE) 12,480lbs and the 251/22 would carry 3,432lbs.

This particular model should be able to carry one crate of vehicle supplies. Thereby increasing its hitting strenght.