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[CAVPFCDD]

Hey guys, my prefered fighter these days, esp for jumping buffs is the 109G-14, love the weapons load out with the gondolas and the lonnnnng wep, i was wondering what 109's you guys like and why... i see alot of 109f-4s, i guess for the climb rate?

Anyway I'd love to hear arguments why I should try out some of the other 109's.

I know i can look up the stats for them online and I have, I'd just like to hear opinons from people who have put the birds to use.

Thanks! 

[Rebel]

Well, the ultimate dogfighter I've found to be is the 109G2.  Skip the gondolas, and go for broke.  50 or 75% gas, with the drop tank. 

It's a lil' friggin' sports car.  You're able to run down pretty much anything, you can outclimb all but the best superfighters, once you're down to 3/4 flaps, she'll float nice n' easy- I've outturned spit XVI's in it. 

It's a friggin' MONSTER. 



**Edit** People take the F-4 for the turn rate- she's a tad slower and climbs just a shade under the G-2.  Think zero a6m2 vs a6m5- that's the kinds difference we're talking.

[Shane]

Actually the ultimate 109 was the 109f4 when it still had gondies as an option.  It's decent high end, good accel and climb and can be used very effectively e-fighting and to an extent turn fighting.

however, since they took the gondies away, the remaining armament is.. mediocre.. flys great.  I find the 109g2 ( w/gondies ) to be just as capable as the 109f and actually prefer the g2 over the g6 and g14 for the gondies and higher low alt top end. 

all of the 109's are very capable machines, it boils down to a preference i guess as the trade offs are basically more speed for less low speed stability as the plane evolved.  109e is practically a UFO, lol, should see me and batfink dueling in them.

i've never been a big fan of the taters, tho' and my so-so gunnery requires the gondies, so g2 is it for me. <shrug>

[Anaxogoras]

Opinions differ here, but I do not recommend taking 50% or 75% fuel plus a drop tank because the rack for the drop tank slows you down even after you release it (the rack also weighs 50lbs).  Again, that's my opinion, experiment for yourself to see what you like.  I take 100% fuel, and once you burn off the first 25%, which happens quickly, she handles just fine.

As for the other 109s, I think they all have something different to offer.  Like Rebel said, the G-2 might be the most well rounded 109: it has both speed and maneuverability.  The F-4 is fun for furballing because it can beat the later-mark Spitfires at their own game.  The K-4 is what I take up when I absolutely must get to altitude fast and will be outnumbered.  Its tater-o-death makes short work of anything in the air, and provides firepower equal to the gondola armed G-14 (3x20mm) without the drag penalty.

[Rebel]

Thx Anax- gonna ditch that drop tank now.  Didn't think the shackle caused a performance hit 

Regarding firepower- if I'm goin for bombers, I take the gondolas.  If it's just fighters, I tend to ditch 'em as I think it's too big of a sacrifice in maneuverability.  If I need that many cannons I take up a 190  

One thing I learned a long time ago in WB's, flying with --ik-- regarding 109's- get in wicked close (I like inside of 200) and hammer your strikes home when you KNOW you'll hit.  No fighter can withstand a 1/2 sec burst from the 151. 

[Stampf]

One thing I learned a long time ago in WB's, flying with --ik-- regarding 109's- 

  Small world. 

[Rebel]

Small world. 

wait a sec....now I'm hoplessly confused.  Stampf = ik?   NO friggin way.

Weren't you in Ik's squadron?

[Stampf]

wait a sec....now I'm hoplessly confused.  Stampf = ik?   NO friggin way.

Weren't you in Ik's squadron?

  No, and No. Still a small world though.   

[SouthLanda]

IK used to be a great alt monkey.

What was the latest model 109 in WB? I cant remember.

I remember chasing him around one day, but couldnt catch him.

[Motherland]

Isn't ik....?
 

[Rebel]

Isn't ik....?
 

Yeah.  Yeah.  Just got outta PM's with him.  What a bastard that guy is.  Gonna hunt his bellybutton now  

<finger> ik 

[Stampf]

Yeah.  Yeah.  Just got outta PM's with him.  What a bastard that guy is.  Gonna hunt his bellybutton now  

<finger> ik 

  

[Banshee7]

I personally prefer the F4.  G2 is another good choice as well.  Every reason why has already been stated 

[Motherland]

IMO the G14 is the most versatile of the 109s. By versatile I mean in every role... not just 1v1 fighter combat. The G14 will do anything you want it to as far as fighter combat goes, as long as you don't get it too fast (and even then it's pretty controllable if you're good with elevator trim). It's the fastest available of the G series on WEP, which is all that really matters with 10 minutes of it. You can load the 20mm, 30mm and gondolas based on your preference, which makes it great for bomber killing (personally I prefer 3 20mm's for low alt and 1 30mm for high alt). It's even a pretty decent JaBo aircraft. On top of all of that, it has the Galland head armor and the refined canopy (which for some reason I can't recall the name of right now) for better visibility than any other of the 109's beside the 109K.

[RAM]

Hey bubi. Nice winging with you yesterday

Got to disagree on your assessment of the G14 vs the K4, tho. The Kurfurst is faster at every altitude than the G14 (around 370mph@SL, 400mph@5000feet, 430@17000feet, 450mph@22000feet for the k4, around 360@SL, 380mph@5000feet, 410@17000feet, 405mph@22000feet for the G14), has a slight climb advantage with WEP on (wep off the G14 is slightly better due to its lighter airframe), and if you keep yourself in the vertical in close 1 on 1 fights it's also better than the Gustav-14.

The Kürfurst doesn't have the weapon options the G14 has, though. But for me at least isn't a problem because I never use the 109 as a jabo, never load gondolas in the 109s, and if I can load the 30mm I won't get the hub MG151/20. At the distances you should be firing with the 20mm to achieve sustained hits (unless you have god-like accuracy, and I don't) you should be able to hit with the 30mm aswell. And the difference in punch is immense.

for me the best 109, though, is the G2. At least if we understand "best" as "the one you can fly and dominate enemies in more than just one way" or "the one which allows for some errors in judgement and still get you out of trouble". In pure performance capabilities, there's no 109 approaching the capabilities of a K4, though.
Where the K4 and G14 are pure E-fighters with little room to act as a turnfighter, the G2 ,being an amazing E-fighting plane, can actually give even an early Spit a rough treatment in a close turning contest (as long as you keep using some vertical to counter his better turnrate). It's ability to turn, and turn well, mixed with it's high E-building capabilities mean the G-2 allows for mistakes that in a K4/G14 would mean your virtual death (translation, a slow G2 is still very maneouverable. A K4/G14 at low speeds is wanting to stall on you).

S!