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Offline bongaroo

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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2008, 07:25:50 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2008, 07:39:39 PM »
F4 for me. Love the feeling when you can out-do anything vs a spit16 in an obsolete plane.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2008, 09:32:43 AM »
For me it is also the f4.  It is an awesome feeling tearing up a spit 16 with an outdated fighter.  Funny, coming from someone who was a spit guy up until about 6 months ago.  I have a new found respect for the 109 series since flying them.  I am amazed at what a monster each and every one is.  In the right hands they are death to all who approach.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2008, 10:10:30 AM »
As most of you know I'm usually a Spit XVI dweeb.  The F4 gives me fits.  Even though I'm 2.5 K/D against it over the past 6 months it's one of the toughest fights to win in a XVI.

I ran into one a few nights ago that gave me all the fight I could handle.  I finally was just gaining an edge after a several minute fight when the guy augered but it was one of the best one on one's I've had in months.
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Offline Mr Blue

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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2008, 07:09:23 PM »
I like the 109F-4 because of the cool yellow nose skin :) reminds me of a pilot from ww2 that had that skin, got nailed by a p-51 in a cool move thow.. just like me a ok fighter that always gets killed by someone in a cool move.. or is it just my bad move? idk..
anyways.. i like the F-4 because i love fighting spits in their little game, i love turning with them, and i love when their surprised how sometimes i out turned them and out maneuvered them and took away their wing. what i don't like is how sometimes after killing 3 I'm going back to base n get killed by suprise cuz if someone is on ur 6 and a little below u,,u cant see them, and i cant out run them in the F-4.. but still ill take killing spit in turn and e fights over getting killed by my lack of experience in seeing my surroundings
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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2008, 07:53:32 AM »
I absolutely love the f4. I have experienced that problem before as well. ussualy I just hit the deck for rtb to attempt to solve that as an enemy plane can't hide in the low six position because of the ground and pesky trees. I have even got some free kills via auger from enemy pilots diving on me.

On a different note. I started experimenting alot more with using my throttle in turns and holy crap. As I am a noob I still have the pleasure of these epiphanies. I could be wrong but it seems that with 25% or less full when I go from around 40% back full throttle while turning the engine "whips" the nose in the direction I am turning. Extremely improving my turn. Especially if there is a vertical element to my turn. Can you more experienced f4 pilots confirm this?
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Offline Shane

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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2008, 08:18:19 AM »
Quote from: sturgeon on December 09, 2008, 07:53:32 AM
On a different note. I started experimenting alot more with using my throttle in turns and holy crap. As I am a noob I still have the pleasure of these epiphanies. I could be wrong but it seems that with 25% or less full when I go from around 40% back full throttle while turning the engine "whips" the nose in the direction I am turning. Extremely improving my turn. Especially if there is a vertical element to my turn. Can you more experienced f4 pilots confirm this?

Use the torque, Luke.   :aok
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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2008, 08:43:06 AM »
Torque, and you get a quick tightening of the turn when those slats pop. 109 is very responsive to throttle jockeying.

Also, the 109 is one of the best reasons to get rudder pedals, the rudder on that thing is one of the most effective and responsive around.
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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2008, 09:28:29 AM »
yeah, I want pedals but right now electricity takes priority.  :lol I do however have a twistie stick and use the rudder almost constantly when not in level flight or just straight climbing. I love the monster on a leash feeling with the 109's.
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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2008, 07:48:22 AM »
You guys (you know who you are) were of course right. the k4 is the way to go with 109s. I might still use the f4 for the role of outnumbered low alt base defense. But the k4 is a beast and will be getting all the other stick time I have.
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2008, 09:16:15 AM »
Btw, in the K-4 you want to set the convergence of the tater and mg's separately.  A lot of us use ~400 yards for the mg's and ~200 for the 30mm.  Experiment and see what works for you.
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2008, 02:21:16 PM »
oh ok will experiment with that have had them both at 200 for sometime. Makes sense tho, since I primarily use the 13mms for ranged or scare'em into turning shots. The one hit devastation (against most planes) of the tater is so gratifying.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2008, 02:33:30 PM »
What has convergience to do with central armament? Only the drop, right?
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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 02:35:30 PM »
Correct.  I put the 30mm at 250 where I generally take my shots.  Some recommend further out to help with turning shots where the target will be under your nose but with such a big cannon round I don't see the point as it moves so slow everything in a turning shot will be under your cowling out of sight.
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Re: <<<<BF 109>>>>
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2008, 02:45:08 PM »
<---K4 Mk108 convergence set at 250. Take shots from D600 max. Works fine for me, just compensate for the drop with alot of lead.
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