Whale Wars

[Strip]

I was going to post something to that effect Moray but your opinion pretty much sums it up.

Both sides should be ashamed in their own ways....

[Jebus]

 I have said all along, this show will end with deaths.  

After posting my last thread I have been reading up on some other threads posted on animal planet.  Moray I understand your a Marian Biologist (i think you said in another post) and understand completely what you are saying.

You are also right about people dying

[MORAY37]

    Ishikawa, H. and Shigemune, H. 2008. Comparative Experiment of Whaling Grenades in the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit (JARPA and JARPN). Jpn. J. Zoo Wildl. Med. 13(1): 21-28.

    Konishi, K., Tamura, T., Zenitani, R., Bando, T., Kato, H. and Wallﾃｸe, L. 2008. Decline in energy storage in the Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) in the Southern Ocean. Polar Biol: 31: 1509-1520.

    Yunoki, K., Ishikawa, H., Fukui, Y. and Ohnishi, M. 2008. Chemical Properties of Epidermal Lipids, Especially Sphingolipids, of the Antarctic Minke Whale. Lipids (2008) 43: 151-159.

You be the judge.  950 whales were culled in 2008.  This was the amount of science garnered from that entire season (taken DIRECTLY FROM THE JARPA site, http://www.icrwhale.org/JARPA91paper.htm, one of which was a study of "whaling grenade effectiveness".

While the Sea Sheppard's are idiots, it's obvious that the Japs are playing the loophole.

[DMBEAR]

I agree the Japanese are hiding behind "research".

Why don't the Japanese just leave the IWC and start another organisation that isn't overrun with an anti whaling tone.  Who enforces the IWC anyways? 

I doubt they want to exterminate the species.  How would that benefit them?

BTW, anyone tried whale? I'm getting hungry.

[Die Hard]

Ok, im not an eco nut at all, but i think its wrong what there doing..... have you seen what they do? They chase the whales for miles, and shoot them with a 6 foot harpoon, then they drag them along side of boat, if the whale isnt dead yet, they start shooting it with rifles...I am against animal abuse to.... but im just saying, leave the dang whales alone


-BigBOBCH

Have you seen what goes on in a chicken processing plant? Butchering animals isn't a pretty business. Lobsters and crabs are boiled alive, yeah that's humane...

I eat beef and pork, and both come from mammals. I also hunt Deer once in a while; also a mammal. Why should I be against the Japanese hunting these sea-cows?

Didn't the scandinavians sink these idiots a few years back? Too bad they survived.

[Strip]

I eat beef and pork, and both come from mammals. I also hunt Deer once in a while; also a mammal. Why should I be against the Japanese hunting these sea-cows?

Last time I checked none of those were on the protected/endangered species list.

Most whales are....

[Die Hard]

Last time I checked none of those were on the protected/endangered species list.

Most whales are....

The ones being hunted?

[Die Hard]

Most whales are....

Just did a quick check (you know, what you should have done before posting that): There currently are 41 species of whale. Only 11 of them are on the endangered list. So no, most whales are not endangered species. Get your facts straight.

[John Curnutte]

 Both sides of this are ugly really , but I'm in thought if I was captain of a ship working the sea and these clowns came close I would defend myself and my crew with any and all means possible . That group of eco pirates should do us all a favor and go down with their ship , or as previously stated go attack the Russians and see what they get .
To hide behind rules , laws , and eco brand of ideas . All are wrong IMO however if no law is broken by the Japenese then they should be allowed to work without hassle.
                        Nutte    

[fudgums]

forget it 

[eagl]

I wonder if the LA Times comment thread is still open...  At least one troller on each side was posting, but it's died down a bit lately.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/06/whale-war-saga-between-japanese-hunters-and-sea-shepherd-to-escalate-.html

[bozon]

It angers me that the Japs are hiding behind science, while not actually doing any real science.

I think they have a major contribution to Gastronomy science. Though some may argue that this should be classified as art - in that case, they kill whales for art. Now that sounds a lot more sophisticated and stylish...

The only real question is whether they are over-hunting a specific kind into extinction. As long as the answer is no, fire at will.

Ok, im not an eco nut at all, but i think its wrong what there doing..... have you seen what they do? They chase the whales for miles, and shoot them with a 6 foot harpoon, then they drag them along side of boat, if the whale isnt dead yet, they start shooting it with rifles...I am against animal abuse to.... but im just saying, leave the dang whales alone

Hunting is the most humane method of killing an animal for its meat. I believe that the animal should live as its kind lives in the wild, till you come and kill it. I have a much bigger moral issue with the way some geese and cows are raised for butchering. Animal are hunted in nature, by humans or others - that's the way of nature and in a way, an essential part of it (see: evolution).

[Die Hard]

The only real question is whether they are over-hunting a specific kind into extinction. As long as the answer is no, fire at will.
Hunting is the most humane method of killing an animal for its meat. I believe that the animal should live as its kind lives in the wild, till you come and kill it. I have a much bigger moral issue with the way some geese and cows are raised for butchering. Animal are hunted in nature, by humans or others - that's the way of nature and in a way, an essential part of it (see: evolution).

+1 QFT

[Meatwad]

I agree the Japanese are hiding behind "research".

Why don't the Japanese just leave the IWC and start another organisation that isn't overrun with an anti whaling tone.  Who enforces the IWC anyways? 

I doubt they want to exterminate the species.  How would that benefit them?

BTW, anyone tried whale? I'm getting hungry.

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Would be pretty funny for the japanese to take a surplus WW2 destroyer (if there is any left afloat) and temporarily rename it to the "stingray."  Heck, even use a small light carrier and have some Kates or Val's as they buzz the hippies. Equip some dummy torps on the kates and lets videotape the hilarity

Imagine everyone on the hippie boat to cry "Crikey! Its a stingray!" 

 

[Phantomz]

I have to say go Japs sink the retards already.  I dont nesicarily agree with the japs and their "Research" But those physco Eco nuts have to go.