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Cost of gun control?
« on: December 05, 2008, 10:37:54 AM »
This IMHO is an interesting article and it asks some good questions and makes some good points..............

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/02/jlott_guncontrol/

and IMHO it's NOT about anything BANNED!
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2008, 10:52:52 AM »
See Rule #14
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2008, 11:49:23 AM »
I think everyone should carry a gun. The stupid ones with no control will die off quickly leaving the rest of us with fewer people to support and if there ever is a situation where you need to pull your gun out there will be more people to cover the firing line that is blocked to your position.

Win/win.
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2008, 08:42:15 PM »
Oh yeah, win win.

You seem to forget that there are some folks who have no self control. There will be a cost in your little slice of hell and it won't be confined to the ones who have the problem. They will extract a severe price until they are no longer capable of continuing to fire.

If I were as shallow a person as your concept I would be wishing the ones in the front of the bad guys were your family. How's that for collateral damage?
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 08:49:19 PM »
Actually I was counting on the ones that have no self control to be the first to leave our fine existence.

Thanks for threatening my family in such a callous way though. Heres to yours!
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 09:57:30 PM »
Why would anyone count on the ones who have self control to "off themselves"? Rather silly to forget that they are far far more likely to prey on others.
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 11:59:21 PM »
On second thought most people would try to mind their own business and not get involved but my thought was everyone would join in in killing losers that try to prey on others. The 'wild west' proved that wasnt true. Some of us dont play the role of lamb very well.
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 01:45:00 AM »
dang it i don't think i broke rule 14, i tried to word it nicely, but anyway, gun control is needed, too many gun crimes so that needs to change so responsible people can enjoy them

and plaxico needs to get his act together, he can afford a body guard, athletes need to send a good message to kids and act like they are the role models that they are supposed to be
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 02:51:07 AM »
The most likely people to kill other people in a gunners paradise are the ones who sholdn't carry one in the first place.
Hence the general fact that when a population of low quality, or just a general population, leaves more corpses if there are many guns....
If everyone around me always carried a gun, I'd be dead for sure...
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2008, 04:22:34 AM »
Show me one act of terrorism stopped by armed civilians in the USA. Are armed US civilians in a terror attack going to 'take down' terrorists or simply act as these indian police did, take cover. I doubt they would, they can't even stop to help a fallen walmart door guard let alone return firm to armed crazies.

And do the cops want armed civilians engaging terrorists? How many armed civilians are going to be mistaken for terrorists and killed?

It's a stupid argument for an armed population. And whilst terrorists did get into the country with firearms, they had to make a huge effort to do it, whereas relaxed firearm controls would've allowed them to source their weapons locally, making acts of terrorism easier to commit and more likely to increase in frequency.

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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2008, 06:02:56 AM »
dang it i don't think i broke rule 14, i tried to word it nicely, but anyway, gun control is needed, too many gun crimes so that needs to change so responsible people can enjoy them

and pelagic needs to get his act together, he can afford a body guard, athletes need to send a good message to kids and act like they are the role models that they are supposed to be

So millions should be denied ND amendment rights cause Pelagic Burris is an idiot gangster wannabe ?

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The most likely people to kill other people in a gunners paradise are the ones who shouldn't carry one in the first place.
Hence the general fact that when a population of low quality, or just a general population, leaves more corpses if there are many guns....
If everyone around me always carried a gun, I'd be dead for sure...

Your from Iceland. You have been pre-programmed to feel that way. In fact being from Iceland why are you even in the thread?

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Show me one act of terrorism stopped by armed civilians in the USA. Are armed US civilians in a terror attack going to 'take down' terrorists or simply act as these indian police did, take cover. I doubt they would, they can't even stop to help a fallen walmart door guard let alone return firm to armed crazies.

Show one act of terror stopped by the Police. Besides try reading concealed carry Laws. They dont allow, "acting like Police", and have been remarkably effective and trouble free where they have been written into law.

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And do the cops want armed civilians engaging terrorists? How many armed civilians are going to be mistaken for terrorists and killed?

Remember that incident at the Russian school? Belsan? I wonder if the teachers and local population were still pro-gun control as those kids were getting slaughtered en-masse? Or in India for that matter.

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It's a stupid argument for an armed population. And whilst terrorists did get into the country with firearms, they had to make a huge effort to do it, whereas relaxed firearm controls would've allowed them to source their weapons locally, making acts of terrorism easier to commit and more likely to increase in frequency.

This is just typically silly from you. The IRA had zero problems getting firearms into two countries with stiff gun control. How hard would it be to get a case of automatic weapons into this country?

And heres another thing to think about. If such a thing as happened in India happened here? It would be worse. In most big cities, or even small ones, "most" Police either dont have access to high power weapons or dont have military training on how to fight them effectively in combat. Get 6 to 12 terrorists trained in combat tactics , with high power weapons, and the Police here couldn't even protect themselves let alone you.

Hows that grab you?
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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2008, 08:13:03 AM »
     My tax return is going towards a good CCW and carry gun in Febuary. Why? In most violent crimes the police show up to gather evidence. Antigun people will say (or do) anything to farther thier cause while ignoring any data proving them wrong. How can I say that? Almost every piece of indepent or unbiased study shows gun control doesnt work. Look at the UK (no disrepect intended) with almost a total ban on guns yet they have some of the highest crime rates per capita. I feel the cultural issues over there compound the issue but my point stands.

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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 08:24:59 AM »

This is just typically silly from you. The IRA had zero problems getting firearms into two countries with stiff gun control. How hard would it be to get a case of automatic weapons into this country?

And heres another thing to think about. If such a thing as happened in India happened here? It would be worse. In most big cities, or even small ones, "most" Police either dont have access to high power weapons or dont have military training on how to fight them effectively in combat. Get 6 to 12 terrorists trained in combat tactics , with high power weapons, and the Police here couldn't even protect themselves let alone you.

Hows that grab you?

Funny I thought thats what he said

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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2008, 09:17:30 AM »
Show me one act of terrorism stopped by armed civilians in the USA. Are armed US civilians in a terror attack going to 'take down' terrorists or simply act as these indian police did, take cover. I doubt they would, they can't even stop to help a fallen walmart door guard let alone return firm to armed crazies.

And do the cops want armed civilians engaging terrorists? How many armed civilians are going to be mistaken for terrorists and killed?

It's a stupid argument for an armed population. And whilst terrorists did get into the country with firearms, they had to make a huge effort to do it, whereas relaxed firearm controls would've allowed them to source their weapons locally, making acts of terrorism easier to commit and more likely to increase in frequency.

You are very much incorrect Vulcan. How easily people forget the victims of 9/11 and Flight 93. People can fight back and armed citizens are not a bad thing. We just had an incident recently where an officer was knocked down by gunfire and was going to die with the perp on top of him, but luckily the store clerk being robbed was a gun owner and said criminal was DRT before he could finish the cop.

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Re: Cost of gun control?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2008, 10:41:21 AM »
So millions should be denied ND amendment rights cause Pelagic Burris is an idiot gangster wannabe ?

well aside from messing up quoting me you didnt read what i said, there needs to be more control since the gun crimes here happen all too frequently, i think responsible people should be allowed to own them, the only problem with that too is that people are people, even regular people snap, but thats just the chance you take.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

As for plaxico i had said something similar to you in my first post, he can afford a body guard and he used to have a concealed weapons permit, he should have had one or the other, and he shouldn't have a gun at all because he's suppposed to be a role model.


*edit* lol sorry man i guess you just misspelled my name, the quoting changes p buress's name (didn't want to spell it out) for some reason, like its a curse or something
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