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Offline Mace2004

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iTunes issues
« on: December 07, 2008, 04:07:20 PM »
I've seen a couple of other folks mention this problem but since installing iTunes I've been getting increased warping and, occasionally, iTunes will pop-up an update screen in the middle of the game.  This is in spite of the fact that I use Alacrity and have all the processes reduced to less than 20 including shutting down all obvious iTunes and 'updater' related ones.  I've looked up all the remaining processes and none are apparently used by iTunes but this updater is still running in the background.  Also, I've disabled automatic update in iTunes.  Uninstalling iTunes is not really an option since I need it for my 3g so has anyone else tracked this bugger down?
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 07:31:11 PM »
iTunes adds at least 5 new processes... let's look at mine here:

issch.exe
iTunesHelper.exe
iPodService.exe
mDNSResponder.exe
AppleMobileDeviceService.exe

These five weren't present before my wife installed iTunes.

I've heard iTunes is a pain to get completely off of a system, but the GOOD news is that it seems that manually closing these processes seems to do well enough, at least on my system.

Eventually I'm going to get around to making another hardware profile, and disabling all of these extra things in that... but I keep putting it off...

Another option is to use a different software... I set up a program called "floola" on a friend's computer, as he was running Win2K and the older version of iTunes that was required because of the older OS wasn't compatible with his new Nano... worked like a charm.

Media Monkey looks good too, but doesn't convert unless you pay for it...
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 08:31:32 PM »
Thanks Tigger.  I found three of those and have them shut down but the other two have no obvious connection. I'll take care of them when I get home this weekend and see if that works. Thanks again.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 05:21:51 AM »
iTunes does horrible things to your network connection.  Matter of fact, every network related application Apple makes to run on the PC does bad things to the PC.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 06:15:04 AM »
Skuzzy is it enough to kill those processes in Tigger's post?
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 06:28:58 AM »
Not sure moot.  I'll have to put together a junker system to test it with as there is no way I will install an Apple program on any of my PC's.  They remind me of Roxio software, where they assume full control of your PC and also assume you will only be using it for thier application.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 07:43:52 AM »
use FSAutoStart and set it up to kill any unecessary processes before you start AH. There's loads of stuff in windoze that will effect your network/cpu usage which isnt needed for AH. Singling out Apple seems a bit unfair - pretty much any modern software out there for PCs infests your system with processes which can cause problems.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 08:10:12 AM »
No, some are far worse than others.  Apple's stuff will interfere with other networking applications.  Not many other applications are as heinous as iTunes, as it pertains to network operations.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 09:06:23 AM »
Quote from: RTHolmes on December 10, 2008, 07:43:52 AM
use FSAutoStart and set it up to kill any unecessary processes before you start AH. There's loads of stuff in windoze that will effect your network/cpu usage which isnt needed for AH. Singling out Apple seems a bit unfair - pretty much any modern software out there for PCs infests your system with processes which can cause problems.
As I mentioned in my op I use Alacrity which is a more advanced version of FSAutostart and have my running prcessess down to 21. When I still have a window popup in the middle of AH that announces a new update to iTunes you can be pretty sure Apple is behind it. Hopefully with the two additional processes Tigger mentioned I can drive a stake through Apple's core!
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 09:46:04 AM »
sure if the iTunes updates popping up then theres more to kill. sry didnt read the OP properly, had a look at alacrity and instantly put off by the .Net requirement (seems odd to use .Net when you're trying to reduce processes/cpu load :confused:)

skuzzy do you know what networking apps it effects and how? u got me worried now :uhoh
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 11:08:54 AM »
iTunes merrily polls away at the remote server.  What all it is doing is beyond me.  I have not built a trash system to test it.

I know several individuals who have gotten much better performance within Aces High II once they removed iTunes.  Even removed it seems to leave some residuals around.  This is what bugs me.

Like Roxio software.  Once you install it, it owns you until you reformat the hard drive.

I'd like to see the results of a "netstat -an", when iTunes is installed and running.
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 12:30:41 PM »
I have itunes but not on my game machine.  :rock
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 12:46:07 PM »
ah thats probably the broadcast service discovery thing like NetBIOS (Apple call it Rendezvous.) Turning off iTunes sharing in the prefs should stop it, although I killemall with FSAuto anyway so not an issue.

I know what you mean about roxio, I'll add Norton too. Actually its a pretty long list ...  :rolleyes:

I haven't really found anything which loiters after running FSAuto, my PC has every piece of software/service that we use on all the pcs at work - and thats alot (much of it badly written and implemented) - as well as a couple of games. Dont really think theres a need for dual boot/VMs for a gaming machine, just keep FSAuto up to date :)
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 12:53:56 PM »
FYI heres another box running iTunes before FSAuto:

>netstat -an

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
  TCP    0.0.0.0:135            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    0.0.0.0:445            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    0.0.0.0:3389           0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    0.0.0.0:3689           0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1027         0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1028         127.0.0.1:27015        ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1032         127.0.0.1:1033         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1033         127.0.0.1:1032         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1034         127.0.0.1:1035         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1035         127.0.0.1:1034         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1127         127.0.0.1:27015        ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1128         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1129         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1130         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1131         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1132         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1133         127.0.0.1:5354         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5152         0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5152         127.0.0.1:1036         CLOSE_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1128         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1129         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1130         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1131         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1132         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5354         127.0.0.1:1133         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:27015        0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:27015        127.0.0.1:1028         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:27015        127.0.0.1:1127         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    192.168.10.2:139       0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  UDP    0.0.0.0:445            *:*
  UDP    0.0.0.0:500            *:*
  UDP    0.0.0.0:1025           *:*
  UDP    0.0.0.0:4500           *:*
  UDP    127.0.0.1:123          *:*
  UDP    127.0.0.1:1900         *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:123       *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:137       *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:138       *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:1900      *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:5353      *:*


and after:

>netstat -an

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
  TCP    0.0.0.0:135            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    0.0.0.0:445            0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    0.0.0.0:3389           0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1032         127.0.0.1:1033         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1033         127.0.0.1:1032         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1034         127.0.0.1:1035         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:1035         127.0.0.1:1034         ESTABLISHED
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5152         0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  TCP    127.0.0.1:5152         127.0.0.1:1036         CLOSE_WAIT
  TCP    192.168.10.2:139       0.0.0.0:0              LISTENING
  UDP    0.0.0.0:445            *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:137       *:*
  UDP    192.168.10.2:138       *:*
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Re: iTunes issues
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 01:42:47 PM »
That is uglier than I thought it would be.
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