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Offline Wingnutt

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Re: P-47M
« Reply #135 on: May 14, 2009, 08:44:20 PM »
LOL..........okay, can you guys take your weapons discussion to another thread, please?
This one is for and about the P-47M, remember?   :rock
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #136 on: May 15, 2009, 04:14:56 PM »
After briefly digging around on the internet, I found three pictures that are P47Ms and were exclusively flown by the 56th FG. Enjoy!

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Now tell me, who would NOT want the P47M? It has every right to be in this game just like the TA152.
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #137 on: May 15, 2009, 07:34:27 PM »
After briefly digging around on the internet, I found three pictures that are P47Ms and were exclusively flown by the 56th FG. Enjoy!

 :salute

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Now tell me, who would NOT want the P47M? It has every right to be in this game just like the TA152.

EVERY P-47M flown in combat was done so by the 56th.  Is that exclusivity?

Put D25 wings on an N.  Instant P-47M.  Perk it.


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Re: P-47M
« Reply #138 on: May 15, 2009, 08:12:40 PM »
I thought the M didn't have the wing racks?

The N wings are so superior to the D wings, I would probably still fly the N if it's true that the M has D wings.
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2009, 08:15:37 PM »
I thought the M didn't have the wing racks?

The N wings are so superior to the D wings, I would probably still fly the N if it's true that the M has D wings.

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« Reply #140 on: May 16, 2009, 12:52:48 AM »
I thought the M didn't have the wing racks?

The N wings are so superior to the D wings, I would probably still fly the N if it's true that the M has D wings.

It would need to be coaded like German racks, drag with them, none without vs there always there as it is now on the P-47. 

Drop tanks.  No bombs.  Fighter mode only.

Take drop tanks, you get the wing rack drag.  No tanks, no drag.  Center line point would always be there.

It would basically be an N minus 1000 pounds with a D's fuel load.


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Re: P-47M
« Reply #141 on: May 16, 2009, 01:15:26 AM »
EVERY P-47M flown in combat was done so by the 56th.  Is that exclusivity?

Put D25 wings on an N.  Instant P-47M.  Perk it.


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M's top speed on the deck is what, probably going to be around 370?

So why the devil would you be after perking it in an arena with at least one free aircraft that is faster at low levels, turns better, and enjoys a superior HP/weight ratio? :devil The M would be a Jug that was actually worth a 5 ENY, that is as far as I'll go. Not holding my breath for its arrival though.
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #142 on: May 16, 2009, 01:18:14 AM »
M's top speed on the deck is what, probably going to be around 370?

So why the devil would you be after perking it



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Re: P-47M
« Reply #143 on: May 16, 2009, 01:29:08 AM »
dont ever let anyone tell you, that your not funny.

The N rolls better at very high speed...comes from squaring off the tips I suppose. Who is laughing now? :devil
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2009, 11:29:58 PM »
The N rolls better at very high speed...comes from squaring off the tips I suppose. Who is laughing now? :devil

so you would trade superior low and high alt performance (speed), and superior climb rate for "it rolls better at very high speed"?

ok. :huh

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Re: P-47M
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2009, 05:45:14 PM »
The N rolls better at very high speed...comes from squaring off the tips I suppose. Who is laughing now? :devil

Was just reading about the superior roll rate of the F4U-4 due to the increased torque of a more powerful engine.  Do you suppose the P-47N rolls better due to it's more powerful engine as well?

So, a P-47M may roll as fast, if not faster than a P-47n, be faster than a P-47N due to lighter weight and possibly less drag.  It would probably get F4U-4 gas mileage though.

Can you have an ENY of less than 5?


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Re: P-47M
« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2009, 08:03:44 PM »
The P-47M rolled out of the factory as basically a D-25/D-30 (exactly like we have in game) with the same engine and horsepower as the P-47N.  Other than some different systems in the cockpit and other miscellaneous changes, the airframe is identical to a bubble top D-25.

The P-47N rolls faster because the ailerons have much more authority than the ailerons on the D.  The P-47N wing is larger than the D wing, with a span 32" wider, and roughly 30 more square feet.  The ailerons make up the same percentage of wing area as on the D, so with the larger, wider wing, the ailerons are bigger and further from the fuselage, therefore having a higher moment in the roll axis.

It will not get "F4U4" gas mileage because the induction systems are different--F4U4 is supercharged only, while the P-47M/N is turbocharged.  The P-47M will get P-47N gas mileage because its the same powerplant and configuration.
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2009, 08:09:41 PM »
The Ms were D-27s with the new power plant, turbocharger and 72" manifold with the vertical stabilizer added in the field. The N model was made from the M testbed by switching out the wings I believe. The M would have the power and engine performance of the N, but at the weight of a D25. The climb in and out of WEP was outstanding for a 47 as well as acceleration, low and high level speed.

One thing to remember about the Ms was that the were used by the most experienced thunderbolt group on earth. The 56th field tested all of the 47's from B on up and the service crews were the best there was period.

Not too long ago I read that some of the M's were making a consistent 500+ mph at altitude in the straight and level because of the tuning done to in machine and motor.

My references include among others:

America's Hundred-Thousand by Francis Dean
Thunderbolt: A Documentary History of the Republic P-47 by Roger Freeman

If for no other reason, we need the M for the superb skins that would be available!!!
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2009, 09:06:50 PM »
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Re: P-47M
« Reply #149 on: May 18, 2009, 08:50:54 PM »
The Ms were D-27s with the new power plant, turbocharger and 72" manifold with the vertical stabilizer added in the field. The N model was made from the M testbed by switching out the wings I believe. The M would have the power and engine performance of the N, but at the weight of a D25. The climb in and out of WEP was outstanding for a 47 as well as acceleration, low and high level speed.

One thing to remember about the Ms was that the were used by the most experienced thunderbolt group on earth. The 56th field tested all of the 47's from B on up and the service crews were the best there was period.

Not too long ago I read that some of the M's were making a consistent 500+ mph at altitude in the straight and level because of the tuning done to in machine and motor.

My references include among others:

America's Hundred-Thousand by Francis Dean
Thunderbolt: A Documentary History of the Republic P-47 by Roger Freeman

If for no other reason, we need the M for the superb skins that would be available!!!

the M used the same engine, but was propped different, and was tuned different. 
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