Spit16 takes tater in wing near root, shrugs it off

[Anaxogoras]

ya know... I'm sure a Spitfire took a 30mm round or two in the real deal and kept flying. 

[Treize69]

ya know... I'm sure a Spitfire took a 30mm round or two in the real deal and kept flying. 

This one sure didn't.



 

[Anaxogoras]

pwnd.

[Cthulhu]

pwnd.

Hardly. He said that some spits probably took 30mm hits and lived. Can you prove him wrong? Do you live in Widewing's basement, with complete access to his mountains of data? This image certainly verifies the lethality of a 30mm hit. Can you prove that ALL 30mm hits were fatal? I doubt it.

[Anaxogoras]

Hardly. He said that some spits probably took 30mm hits and lived. Can you prove him wrong? Do you live in Widewing's basement, with complete access to his mountains of data? This image certainly verifies the lethality of a 30mm hit. Can you prove that ALL 30mm hits were fatal? I doubt it.

Burden of proof.

Certainly I cannot prove that all hits were fatal, but asking me to prove him wrong is silly, like asking me to prove that dinosaurs didn't dance.

The shells sometimes failed to detonate, which is not accounted for in AH.  However, unless it only sheared off a wingtip, the kill rate for a 30mm detonation on a Spitfire would likely approach 99.9%.  That's my educated guess based on multiple examples of photographic evidence, and the Luftwaffe tests that showed 2-3 30mm  hits would bring down a B-17.

You're missing the point that in AH when a Spitfire takes a 30mm and survives it takes no damage whatsoever.

[Cthulhu]

You're missing the point that in AH when a Spitfire takes a 30mm and survives they take no damage whatsoever.

Not arguing that at all. My point was that SmokinLoon made a valid assertion, and shouldn't be rediculed for it.

[Anaxogoras]

My point was that SmokinLoon made a valid assertion

"At least one Spitfire survived a 30mm hit" may be a logically valid assertion, but its statistical relevance is almost zero.

[Cthulhu]

"At least one Spitfire survived a 30mm hit" may be a logically valid assertion, but its statistical relevance is almost zero.

Statistically no, but his statement is still valid. He wasn't "pwnd".

[33Vortex]

Look at this to see a real world example of a Spitfire taking a Mk108 hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZGaEEi8Ek&NR=1

Shrug it off? Don't think so! 

[Anaxogoras]

   I thought I was pwn'ing treize because I put up the picture first.

[Cthulhu]

 I thought I was pwn'ing treize because I put up the picture first.

Doh! Peace then.

[33Vortex]

The only way a spitfire could survive a 30 mm hit imo would be if it did not explode but either got lodged in the airframe or passed right through. I for one wouldn't want to fly around with a live 30 mm in the wing.

[Treize69]

 I thought I was pwn'ing treize because I put up the picture first.

Where? I didn't see it.

And might want to actually say something instead of assuming everyone on this thread knows what you mean with your dorkspeak.

[Anaxogoras]

Where? I didn't see it.

And might want to actually say something instead of assuming everyone on this thread knows what you mean with your dorkspeak.

Oh jeez, it was a joke treize.  I just thought it was funny that you and I put up the same picture and pretended that I was being triumphant.  Lighten up.

As for 30mm hits, this is the one where he didn't even take damage:

[Cthulhu]

gav, you can't catch a break. 

From the look of that hit, I'd say the upper half of the pilot should beat the rest of the plane to the ground by at least 20 sec.