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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2013, 03:46:38 PM »
Only issue is lack of documentation. I don't think anyone really questions that the few they could fuel up were thrown into combat, but does it meet de facto requirements?

The two kills claimed on the internet are false, both planes were downed by Flak not He-162s so the He-162 does not have a combat kill. The 2nd Tactical airforce can claim one aircraft was downed by FLAK, the other however there is no confirmation of what exactly shot it down - again I say Flak but the He-162 that was credited with the kill was shot down or crashed himself - so there is no verification period.

I./JG1 was used in ground attack sorties against allied airfields, the known loss came from one of the pilots having to eject. This is a fact

I am not sure whether HTC will call this "operational" or not, just because you have 100 aircraft doesn't mean they flew if they had no fuel.
My best guess is - Yes it was in combat (less sorties and flight time then even the Ta-152 or any other aircraft) - it had a handful of operational losses, however it was simply to late in the war (April 16th? was the allied airfield attack mission)
I only can find one sortie flown by He-162s myself - however its been argued before by luft fans however I cannot credit/discredit them, rest of the time they sat on runways i know that much.

Question is whether this was operational or not, you cannot have aircraft operational if there is no fuel, how many he-162s flew that day I cannot recall.

Seen combat - yes it attacked an allied airfield, in squadron strength raises another question - I know JG-1 had over 100 He-162s just no fuel. So where does the borderline end? Only HTC can answer that.

Edited - I wanted to add that last part, whether this meets HTC's requirements I don't know, it could of been one aircraft or 100, i cannot confirm that.

Another thing posted around the internet is most of the pilots were green - they were ORDERED to avoid combat at all cost (Whether this is true I dont know) given how much airspace the allies controled, this makes me wonder if HE-162s flew period since this would be unavoidable and someone would vouch that He-162s were flying around or not.

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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2013, 07:27:34 PM »
It meets HTC's one and only one "requirement", in that it saw combat. However it doesn't appear to meet de facto requirements.

And I guarantee that they flew as much as fuel would allow, given Hitler's insistence on using the super weapons. It wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to take the 262  combat records (if available for the relevant time period; my collection is limited by my student budget  :frown:), and extrapolate based on that.

Wouldn't be too different either, I would imagine. Probably fewer operational aircraft, but of those more were able to fly on a given amount of fuel (1/2 the number of engines). It stands to reason that the two would balance out in some measure.


However, the problem is proving it. Unless we find some stash of documents buried in some vault somewhere, it seems improbable that we will ever be able to do so.
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2013, 09:57:48 PM »
It meets HTC's one and only one "requirement", in that it saw combat. However it doesn't appear to meet de facto requirements.

Normally I stay from aircraft like the He-177 and 162, its just a headache when trying to deal with both sides of the argument, same for Re.2005 or anything that few in "limited" numbers, as there are two crowds for it.

If it seen combat during WW2, it should be allowed, which means the 162 meets the requirement.
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2013, 05:42:03 PM »
not sure if people outside of the UK can view it but interesting documentary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03h8r3y/Cold_War_Hot_Jets_Episode_1/

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« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »
not sure if people outside of the UK can view it


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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2013, 06:30:01 PM »
Coming unglued. That's apropos.  :)

I have a feeling Schlowy would come unglued before the He 162.

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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2013, 06:31:25 PM »

No.

I'll give you a summary.  Meteor = awesome,  Britain was once Great,  American governments are evil and paranoid.  Communists are bad.
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2013, 06:37:17 PM »
I wish for very controversial things like this HTC would comment and say they will either  Add it, Think about it or it's in development.   That way all the nags will shut up, or if nothing else, so we can say that "HTC has spoken".

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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2013, 06:38:20 PM »
it made the last vote and all the crazies voted for the B29  :bolt:

so the fact it made the list indicates to me HTC accept all of the conditions for inclusion so that is no longer up for debate it is just a case of adding something that will ignite some interest in Late war and get players flocking back in droves just to see it.
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #69 on: November 08, 2013, 06:58:01 PM »
I have a feeling Schlowy would come unglued before the He 162.

So would his 162  :rofl

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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2013, 07:08:16 PM »
it made the last vote and all the crazies voted for the B29  :bolt:
Nope.  B-29 was the vote before.  Meteor was in the final three of the last vote, behind the Yak-3 and the Me410.  Final was between the Me410 and Yak-3 and the Me410 won.
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2013, 07:43:51 PM »
Nope.  B-29 was the vote before.  Meteor was in the final three of the last vote, behind the Yak-3 and the Me410.  Final was between the Me410 and Yak-3 and the Me410 won.

so by that logic it is being made as we speak and will be in the next release.   :banana:
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2013, 08:01:27 PM »
And we'll have get a drone v1 buzzbomb to fight with it!  I would bet odds on the drone! :D
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2013, 11:40:26 PM »
I sincerely hope we don't get the Meteor. So much other stuff we need first.

Ordnance update
Ju-188 or Do 217
ANY russian level bomber
Improved auto puffy ack
Valentine tank
M3 Stuart
Panzer III
B6A
D4Y
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Re: Gloster Meteor
« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2013, 11:00:55 AM »
We got the Yak and three german td's around July 16, 2013... In seven more days, it will be November 16th, so, we're almost FOUR MONTHS since an addition?
The new machine(s) would probably be in testing by now, some getting debugged and maybe some already done!!!
Are we due for screenshots yet?
Guessing any new arrival would be out before Christmas?

Seems like Schlowy has been saving years worth of stupid wishes

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Moon .... base.

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there are some ideas that should remain firmly locked away in the cranium like dying brain cells due to their stupid nature...this is one of those ideas.

*Why isn't Ack-Ack mentioning any possible prototype mechanical bugs like he did the 177, and that the Ki84 only had 1.5mins wep or that the Ta152 can't even take off without breaking a wing and flys backwards for further and better than any other plane in the game, let alone the 410 cant even fly level and flys backwards 2nd to only the 152?
*I can't believe that Arlo didn't say MOON-BASE, and actually posted a source earlier (but still failed to mention that the 'ENTIRE SQUADRON' was only FOUR PLANES), instead of his try-to-be wannabe a flamebaiter posts?
*Why is Nrshida talking about glue and NOT asking for ACTUAL REAL 1.5min weptime on the Ki84?
*Why is Guppy not in here spamming that he posted sources that the Meteor saw combat, without actually posting a source, like he does with the spit16?
*I also cant figure why Gyrene81 didn't post his picture of the super fat guy eating a Twinkie?

My list:
*He-177 (a big luft bomber)
*D.520 at least 1 French plane please, and it saw combat flying its own colors, just 50 to 100miles of water below England!
*I.A.R 80 at least 1 Romainian plane, it looks like an early war d9, that actually flew for it's own country, the luft, and the soviets. Only plane in game with those 3 paints!
*the Fairy Swordfish only plane England would have with a torpedo? that supposively brought about the sinking of the Bismarck? Better ground attack plane than the spit16 or Meteor with actual sources!
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