P51 wing loading

[uptown]

Your troll is far too weak for the HTC to respond.
Man you are weak. Not even entertaining.

I can see why you're a parolee on these boards. You have nothing to add to this thread but a big mouth.And I could careless if you're entertained.

[Steve]

As long as the pony is able to do a quick split-s followed by a run to the ack or friendlies then it'll be just fine

Some ponies will fight. Do they catch you off guard?

[SunBat]

Man, Uptown, what kind of tolerance do you think these various specifications have? 

Take your car for example.  Do you think if you calculated the maximum speed that your car could reach and you went out and actually drove it you would have a perfect match?  Also, if you clocked yourself more than once, do you think you would get exactly the same speed each time?  If you took another car just like yours and clocked it, would you get the same speed that you got with your car?  The answer to all of those questions is no. 

I’d say HTC did pretty dang good.   

[Chalenge]

Man, Uptown, what kind of tolerance do you think these various specifications have? 

Take your car for example.  Do you think if you calculated the maximum speed that your car could reach and you went out and actually drove it you would have a perfect match?  Also, if you clocked yourself more than once, do you think you would get exactly the same speed each time?  If you took another car just like yours and clocked it, would you get the same speed that you got with your car?  The answer to all of those questions is no. 

I’d say HTC did pretty dang good.   

In a computer simulation the answer is yes.

[BnZs]

A quick checklist...

Turn rate and radius vs. the enemy a/c-Hopelessly inferior.

Thrust-to-weight/ROC/acceleration vs. the enemy a/c-Hopelessly inferior

Top speed vs. the enemy a/c-better

Under these circumstances, the proper tactic is to use is to use speed to force the engagement when an advantage is held and disengage when at a disadvantage, whenever possible. These circumstances will be true of the P-51 vs. X quite a bit in the MAs. Thus I will not sit here and self-righteously condemn P-51s for running. P-51s rarely run away from D9s and P-47Ns btw.  

I WILL self-righteously condemn P-51s for HOing however, since it is a rather fragile airplane with a mediocre armament package that will likely come out on the short end of the stick if the other pilot HOs the SOB right back, instead of trying to avoid go for a more productive tactic, at which point gives the HOtard the ability to say "but it was a front-quarter shot, not a HO".  

[uptown]

I remember the pony as a much different plane 2 years ago then it now. The guys that have flown the mustang alot know what I'm talking about. It's just not the same. So which model was right? The old one or the one we have now? I say this version is the dumbed down model.Every pony pilot I know in this game will tell you the same thing. It's not just me. But I come here to bring up the subject because I'd like to know why it was changed to begin with.

[BigR]

99.9% of the people I engage run regardless of what they fly or who they are. Against a co-alt aircraft that turns similar or slightly better then my plane (and also has my six) I will extend to 3k and then turn back (which levels the fight more or less). Those individuals that hate to die will always PM afterwards about how I kept running. Funny stuff! They always forget their friends around too who will always join in if given the chance. Everyone in this game is a potential 'cherry-picker' if given the chance regardless of how they talk about it.

Assumptions are just that but I dont have a problem with the majority of the way the plane flies or the way planes compare one to another. The flaps on the P51 being the one exception that kills its ability to engage fairly against Yaks and Tempests and UFOs... I mean F4Us.  

The only plane I agree with you there is the F4U which is horribly over modeled. Its probably the biggest easy mode plane in the game. The other two are a little harder to make that claim against. I think in each case it would come down to the pilot. The F4U makes mediocre pilots (players) seem a lot better than they are. Which is the complete opposite of what the real F4U did to crappy pilots. It wasn't called the ensign eliminator for nothing.  I realize there are some REALLY good players that fly the F4 all the time, which makes them almost unbeatable unless you're in one too. Its low speed handling defies the laws of physics. Anyway, I'm on a rant. The point is that the P51 is great and doesn't need to be changed. Maybe some of the planes around it need some tweaking though?

[Steve]

The point is that the P51 is great and doesn't need to be changed.

It's already been changed, and for the worse.

[BigR]

It's already been changed, and for the worse.

I dunno about that. I spend most of my time in it below 5k or on the deck stall fighting. Ive been surprised with how well it contends with other planes in those situations. I don't employ the same "tactics" that most 51 drivers use so i couldn't speak to that aspect of it.

[iTunes]

Some ponies will fight. Do they catch you off guard?

Usually the ones who catch me off guard are the one's who fight

[Chalenge]

Usually the ones who catch me off guard are the one's who fight

That you can be caught 'off guard' tells me more then your other comments.

The only plane I agree with you there is the F4U which is horribly over modeled...

I dont agree there because the number one problem with noobs is believing what they have read about history and expecting it to be true in AH. Further along that same thought I expect the P51 and its flaps to work as they would in the real world. If they did I could maintain a fight against a Tempest or a Yak (especially against the teeny boppers that dont belong in perk planes) for a little longer and it would be enough to win in the vast majority of cases.

The flaps have been demonstrated to be modeled incorrectly and should be fixed IMO.

[Pyro]

The last flight model change to the P-51 was in the flaps and that was almost 3 years ago.  I challenge you to go load up an old version and show the difference in performance.

I will say that you are correct about the tachometer being out of alignment but that has diddly squat to do with the actual performance.  Just because your speedometer is off in your car it doesn't change how fast you're actually going.

[iTunes]

That you can be caught 'off guard' tells me more then your other comments.

Meaning, ponies who stay and fight are the ones who surprise me, by that you could class as "off guard" no ref to SA, more like " I don't belive it, a pony that wants to fight" not dissing the pony drivers, just pointing out the reality of AH.

[Urchin]

The last flight model change to the P-51 was in the flaps and that was almost 3 years ago.  I challenge you to go load up an old version and show the difference in performance.

I will say that you are correct about the tachometer being out of alignment but that has diddly squat to do with the actual performance.  Just because your speedometer is off in your car it doesn't change how fast you're actually going.

Was that the same patch that rendered the F4U a super-plane and the 190's flaps worthless?

[Chalenge]

Meaning, ponies who stay and fight are the ones who surprise me, by that you could class as "off guard" no ref to SA, more like " I don't belive it, a pony that wants to fight" not dissing the pony drivers, just pointing out the reality of AH.

The reality of AH lately has been that any plane that sees a coalt or higher plane will immediately turn tail and the strange thing is they also show great bravery in attacking bombers coalt from dead six where they know its just like a HO and they very likely will die for a single kill or two at the most. With the same 'skill' it takes to manuever for a kill they could use a little patience and manuever and maybe get all three.