FSO: 1945 - Operation August Storm (Russian vs. Japan)

[Squire]

Japan was a naval power, being an island nation, so the fact it had a large naval air arm is not at all surprising. Japan, like the U.S., and Soviets, and others, had their air power controlled by their respective army and navies, with seperate air arms in both services. Most nations in WW2 did, nothing really unusual about it. The tradition of land based naval air forces goes back to WW1 where the German Naval Air Service and the Royal Naval Air Service, both operated land based fighter and bomber sqaudrons in support of the front. Naval air power was never limited to just ship borne aircraft, even after Carriers became numerous in fleets. Thats even true today. 

[ghostdancer]

I still have to test the La5N but when I did the design planning for this event I do the following testing:



I figure I will probably have 3 targets within 100 miles (4 sectors) of a launch base and 3 targets within 125 miles (5 sectors) of a launch base. So a round trip will be 200 to 250 miles if flown direct.

This gives more than enough time to get to alt, to take a non-direct path to target, etc.

- P-39Q :  full power to 20K alt, 47 min of fuel | once level and at normal cruise speed 54 min of fuel, range 283 miles (radius 141 miles)
- Yak-9U : full power to 20K alt, 39 min of fuel | once level and at normal cruise speed 62 min of fuel, range 368 miles (radius 184 miles)
- La7 : full power to 20K alt, 58 min of fuel | once level and at normal cruise speed 67 min of fuel, range 404 miles (radius 202 miles)

So the Soviets should be able to deal with targets 100 to 125 miles away from their bases. The P39Q will have the toughest time but possibly flying it lower at 15K will help. I still have to test the La5n.

Now with this said .. the tenative fuel burn rate is 1.0 but remember when you get the actual objectives the fuel burn rate in those will be the final fuel burn rate for that frame. After testing the La5N and when I finalize my targets for both sides I will come up with the "final" rate for the frame and if need be yes, I am willing to drop it to 0.9 or 0.8 as needed or indicated by my test results.

So Overall the Japanese will have fuel to burn but the Russians will not. The Russians though have a definite speed advantage over all Japanese planes and the area of combat is going to be along narrow fronts. Meaning I expect each frame to be brutal knife fights.

[ghostdancer]

Yes, I could have included the A6M5b for the Japanese and yes, I had discussions about it with other CMs. I am just being conservative since I think that the A6M5b would have a massively hard time against the La5N and Yaks. Not sure how it would do against the P-39Q. But anyway unless deployed properly (as in mixed in with other fighters in a strike package) I think it would be a little out of its league which is why I left it out.

[Saxman]

That, and by the time Japan surrendered I don't think they had many Zeros left, anyway. However IIRC a LARGE number of N1K2s and Ki-84s were either stuck on the Home Islands or in China because American submarine and anti-shipping activity was so effective they couldn't redeploy them. I think almost the entire 343rd was trapped in China when they were badly needed elsewhere.

[Twizzty]

<S> Ghostdancer,

A quick question on the aircraft. Below is the aircraft list from the OP as of now...

SOVIET AIRCRAFT
A-20G
B-25C/D (formations enabled)
La5N
La-7 (very limited numbers)
Mossie (sub for PE-2)
P-39Q
Yak-9T
Yak-9U

M-3
M-8
Sherman VC


JAPANESE AIRCRAFT
Ki-61
Ki-67
Ki-84
N1K2

M-3
M-8
Panzer IV

and this aircraft list is from the events webpage as of right now: Link http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/1945-operation-august-storm-russian-vs.-japan.html

SOVIET AIRCRAFT
A-20G
B-25C/D (formations enabled)
P-39Q
LA5N
YAK-9U
YAK-9T

T-34
M-3
M8


JAPANESE AIRCRAFT
Ki-61
Ki-67
Ki-84

Panzer
M-3
M-8

I know the mossie is gone(per this thread), but what is the actual set we are going to be flying?

Thanks in advance,
Twizz

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[ghostdancer]

Frigging Typos .. here is the list:


SOVIET AIRCRAFT
A-20G
B-25C/D (formations enabled)
P-39Q
LA5N
YAK-9U
YAK-9T

(based on how frame 1 turns out I might and stress might reinsert a very limited number of La-7s and also possibly reinsert Mossies if I deem the play balance is off but for frame 1 no mossies or La-7s.).


T-34
M-3
M8


JAPANESE AIRCRAFT
Ki-61
Ki-67
Ki-84
N1K2

Panzer
M-3
M-8

[Twizzty]

Perfect, Thanks Ghostdancer <S>

[Nefarious]

Which T-34?

[shreck]

WOOT, This should be a slugfest!! I'm very glad to see this come about,  <S> Ghostdancer!   

[ELD66]

Well so much for La7 Balancing out the Nik2J lol.

[haasehole]

 OH no more la7      

[ghostdancer]

The La5N should give the N1K2 a good run for its money. It is faster, climbs better (but doesn't blow the N1K2 away in the climb), and has massive acceleration advantage. The N1K2 advantage comes down to better turn radius, longer legs (range), and of course 4 20mm cannons versus the La5N's 2 20mm.

Against the other planes .. Ki61 and Ki84 the La5n more than holds it own.

Here is a link to a stats comparison:

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=la5fn&p2=ki61&p3=ki84&p4=n1k2j

[Anaxogoras]

The La5N should give the N1K2 a good run for its money. It is faster, climbs better (but doesn't blow the N1K2 away in the climb), and has massive acceleration advantage. The N1K2 advantage comes down to better turn radius, longer legs (range), and of course 4 20mm cannons versus the La5N's 2 20mm.

Against the other planes .. Ki61 and Ki84 the La5n more than holds it own.

Here is a link to a stats comparison:

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=la5fn&p2=ki61&p3=ki84&p4=n1k2j

The Ki-84 is the best Japanese fighter.  Worrying about the slow, poor-rolling N1K is silly.

Where's the Il-2?

[ghostdancer]

Decided to leave it out because it really was made for ground attack but I don't want planes involved attacking the tanks in the tank battle portion. Outside of that role the IL2 would really not stack up well versus the Ki61, Ki84 and N1K2.

[oakranger]

I vote that the N1K2 should have these skins.