DON'T WHINE ANYMORE!!!!!

[APDrone]

Well we did it we told you we were comin what base and what alt only a few defenders, and the whines started on 200 right away.
I'm now officially bored with the whining!!

Rooks are lame and made all sorts of excuses i don't care what base you take anything to not actually fight.

You asked for it you got it and whined about it now shut it!!!

We will give the Nits same oppurtunity tomorrow Hopefully they will be up to the challenge.

Couple things..

1. Congrats and thank you for trying something different.

2. A single night of a new process should not be the sole indicator of success or failure of an initiative.

3. I've heard it said that 75% of the player base does not frequent this BBS or message forum.  I, personally, didn't know this even existed until I had been playing for 10 months.  I, and many others on the BBS, know exactly why you did what you did.. announcing your intentions.  I would expect that most who were on last night had NO idea what your goal was, so it's understandable that you would be met with skepticism, ridicule.. or whatever else you encountered.

Keep trying the new approach.

Your results may vary.

[uptown]

I understand what you're saying Slapshot. I tell guys all the time "you won't get better by running or avoiding fights". And if I had logged on last night, I'd been there fighting the hoarde. I'll get right in there and turn with spits and hogs or whatever. But after I get a few and have my oil knocked out or half a wing blown off, I'd like to be able to limp back home without 4 LA7s, 3 spit16s and a zeke all trying their best to get a assist on me   it just gets old is all I'm saying. I think most of the guys in the game feel the same way.

We've all talked about this hoarde thing until we're blue in the face. I'm of the opinion that hoardes will ruin the game. Obviously most don't feel the way that I do. I just don't think a squad that needs 30 bombers with escorts to take a base, is anywhere near approaching skill. But they beg to differ <shrugs>. To me it's all beginning to become insane mass confusion. I just want a desent dogfight, not a no hold bars cage match. But that's just me I guess.

[RATTFINK]

 

opps, I fail

[FALCONWING]

I understand what you're saying Slapshot. I tell guys all the time "you won't get better by running or avoiding fights". And if I had logged on last night, I'd been there fighting the hoarde. I'll get right in there and turn with spits and hogs or whatever. But after I get a few and have my oil knocked out or half a wing blown off, I'd like to be able to limp back home without 4 LA7s, 3 spit16s and a zeke all trying their best to get a assist on me   it just gets old is all I'm saying. I think most of the guys in the game feel the same way.

We've all talked about this hoarde thing until we're blue in the face. I'm of the opinion that hoardes will ruin the game. Obviously most don't feel the way that I do. I just don't think a squad that needs 30 bombers with escorts to take a base, is anywhere near approaching skill. But they beg to differ <shrugs>. To me it's all beginning to become insane mass confusion. I just want a desent dogfight, not a no hold bars cage match. But that's just me I guess.

Okay I was on last night so lets get this straight...as usual you are just inventing things....

1.  Joker posted a mission:: p47s, p51s and (i think) tiffies  all with ord
2.  He announced on ch 200 that he was posting a mission
3.  He announced time til mission started
4.  He announced launch field, trgt field and alt he intended to level at (multiple times)
5.  He invited all Rooks to come meet it
6.  Last time I checked there 17 total pilots in that mission

Bops were in squad night so we did not join but watched with interest...we were fighting knits who had 130 players to 83 bish on...

In response to Joker....Bj229 and twentyfo began insulting him and jokers on ch 200...Bj229 in particular is a bbs poster who "hates" hoardes and craves a good fight....there were at least 5 other BBS posters on flying as knights who also constantly post they "only want good fights and hate noes"  They had been populating ch 200 with comments so I checked roster and they were on...they could easily have switched to rooks to find this fight....none of them did...

Joker was polite and did not engage the guys on ch 200...he flew his mission and then said "niters" and logged...

Murdr in another thread wondered why "other real estate squads" weren't upset with Jokers...its because we appreciate the help they provide and free us up to do whatever we want as well.  Amongst our "type" we don't NEED to be better then anyone else as long as we are having fun.

<S> joker...you are a better man than I for keeping your cool and taking the brunt of the insults directed at your squad. 

[Steve]

Heheheh some poeple are born tools Flcn, and can't resist exposing themselves as such on 200.

Hey Joker, whens' the next one? What time? I'll log on and hurl my pony into the carnage.

[waystin2]

Heheheh some poeple are born tools Flcn, and can't resist exposing themselves as such on 200.

Hey Joker, whens' the next one? What time? I'll log on and hurl my pony into the carnage.

I believe he said the Knights tonight.  I will be watching for it, should be fun.

[Steve]

I believe he said the Knights tonight.  I will be watching for it, should be fun.

Me too but I have limited opportunity to play so I'm hoping he'll post a general time so I can login and participate.

[uptown]

alright! Falconweenie is here  

[Spikes]

Well we did it we told you we were comin what base and what alt only a few defenders, and the whines started on 200 right away.
I'm now officially bored with the whining!!

Rooks are lame and made all sorts of excuses i don't care what base you take anything to not actually fight.

You asked for it you got it and whined about it now shut it!!!

We will give the Nits same oppurtunity tomorrow Hopefully they will be up to the challenge.

I wasn't on for this...but knowing the bish.

1.) Come in with 8K+ of alt
2.) Have more than 30 guys
3.) All in cannon/50cal with lots of ammo planes

Frankly, I wouldn't have upped either. I would have rather been at a fairer fight.

[LLogann]

You assume even though FalcnWng gave us a play by play?

I wasn't on for this...but knowing the bish.

1.) Come in with 8K+ of alt
2.) Have more than 30 guys
3.) All in cannon/50cal with lots of ammo planes

Frankly, I wouldn't have upped either. I would have rather been at a fairer fight.

Why would you be so silly sir?

Okay I was on last night so lets get this straight...as usual you are just inventing things....

1.  Joker posted a mission:: p47s, p51s and (i think) tiffies  all with ord
2.  He announced on ch 200 that he was posting a mission
3.  He announced time til mission started
4.  He announced launch field, trgt field and alt he intended to level at (multiple times)
5.  He invited all Rooks to come meet it
6.  Last time I checked there 17 total pilots in that mission

Bops were in squad night so we did not join but watched with interest...we were fighting knits who had 130 players to 83 bish on...

In response to Joker....Bj229 and twentyfo began insulting him and jokers on ch 200...Bj229 in particular is a bbs poster who "hates" hoardes and craves a good fight....there were at least 5 other BBS posters on flying as knights who also constantly post they "only want good fights and hate noes"  They had been populating ch 200 with comments so I checked roster and they were on...they could easily have switched to rooks to find this fight....none of them did...

Joker was polite and did not engage the guys on ch 200...he flew his mission and then said "niters" and logged...

Murdr in another thread wondered why "other real estate squads" weren't upset with Jokers...its because we appreciate the help they provide and free us up to do whatever we want as well.  Amongst our "type" we don't NEED to be better then anyone else as long as we are having fun.

<S> joker...you are a better man than I for keeping your cool and taking the brunt of the insults directed at your squad. 

[SlapShot]

no one fought our 40+ plane horde  . too funny, trying to claim best squad
crap but wont do anything by their squad alone, got to have the mega horde to fight in.

  ... 40+ planes .... too funny ... the MAW use to field that many (within the squad on squad night) for a mission, never mind those who tagged along ... and the AKs, along with other Bish had no problem throwing a monkey wrench into our plans.

It wouldn't take anymore than 25 planes to counter a 40 plane attack and stop the taking of a base.

[SlapShot]

I wasn't on for this...but knowing the bish.

1.) Come in with 8K+ of alt
2.) Have more than 30 guys
3.) All in cannon/50cal with lots of ammo planes

Frankly, I wouldn't have upped either. I would have rather been at a fairer fight.

Come on ... you're kidding ? ... right ?

1) They have been trashed for coming in NOE ... and now they are too high ?  ... what alt would you like them to come in at ?

2) 30 guys who said where they were lifting, when they were lifting, and where they were going ... and a defensive set of resources couldn't be rounded up to thwart them ... sad ... very sad.

3) No cannons and no .50 cals allowed in Joker's missions ? ... does that mean they can only fly planes with .303s and weaker ? ... against cannon and .50 cal equipped planes ...

Next thing you know, Joker and crew will have to only fly with one hand and a patch over one eye ...

[grizz441]

I think the whole 'announcing a mission' thing is making the assumptions that a) The enemy is somehow organized and will launch a structured counter assault and b) The enemy cares.  I was on when Joker was telling rooks mission plans but I was already engaged in a good fight elsewhere and didn't give a hoot.  I guess I didn't feel like bailing from my flight and rushing over to the cartoon base that was in trouble and getting ganged by 15k assault fighters.

[Spikes]

Come on ... you're kidding ? ... right ?

1) They have been trashed for coming in NOE ... and now they are too high ?  ... what alt would you like them to come in at ?

2) 30 guys who said where they were lifting, when they were lifting, and where they were going ... and a defensive set of resources couldn't be rounded up to thwart them ... sad ... very sad.

3) No cannons and no .50 cals allowed in Joker's missions ? ... does that mean they can only fly planes with .303s and weaker ? ... against cannon and .50 cal equipped planes ...

Next thing you know, Joker and crew will have to only fly with one hand and a patch over one eye ...

He's complaining about them coming in and us not defending. PErsonally I'd really like not to up only to a horde of 30 guys coming in 4K above me.

[Steve]

Come on ... you're kidding ? ... right ?

1) They have been trashed for coming in NOE ... and now they are too high ?  ... what alt would you like them to come in at ?

2) 30 guys who said where they were lifting, when they were lifting, and where they were going ... and a defensive set of resources couldn't be rounded up to thwart them ... sad ... very sad.

3) No cannons and no .50 cals allowed in Joker's missions ? ... does that mean they can only fly planes with .303s and weaker ? ... against cannon and .50 cal equipped planes ...

Next thing you know, Joker and crew will have to only fly with one hand and a patch over one eye ...

38's on  one engine.

I'm curious just how "fair" a fight has to be before certain people would participate.

Goons don't fly at 8k... a mission without goons is like a day without sunshine. I just fail to see how even a small handful of guys couldn't bust up a 17 plane group who had announced launch location, alt, and destination.  All those planes at 8k+ were probably heavy so they had to come down.. oh geez I could go on and on. Frankly, going up to 10-12k doesn't take too long.  30 guys at 8k announcing where they are going sounds like an all-you-can-eat smorgasboard with a big "open for business" sign on it.