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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2009, 09:09:56 AM »
Quote from: Cajunn on May 31, 2009, 03:06:57 AM
I have never had it happen with 30mm but I have noticed especially in the 109 series that it takes a lot of 20mm rounds to take an aircraft out.

Are you flying a version with 7mm cowl guns?  The firepower upgrade from the G-2 to the G-6 and G-14 is very noticeable.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #136 on: May 31, 2009, 03:14:00 PM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on May 31, 2009, 09:09:56 AM
Are you flying a version with 7mm cowl guns?  The firepower upgrade from the G-2 to the G-6 and G-14 is very noticeable.

 :uhoh F4, But I fly the K4 98% of the time.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2009, 04:21:24 PM »
Give the G-14 (20mm) or even the G-6 a try.  You'll be surprised at their lethality compared to the F4/G2.

Let's return to the discussion of the nerfed Mk 108. :)
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #138 on: June 01, 2009, 01:33:12 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on May 31, 2009, 08:00:29 AM

Some fighters were hit by 88mm Flak shells and they flew home.

Wow...  :O  Any references or links?

AFAIK, 88:s could kill a tank with a direct hit. I am kinda surprised how any plane could survive an 88 shell hit.
Or did you mean they were hit by its splinters or by a dud?
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #139 on: June 01, 2009, 02:31:59 PM »
I dont know exactly where I saw it but there was some real life film of a P47 with a twisted and torn hole in it's tail section the size of a melon. The pilot who just landed it is standing by it holding his hand out, trying to keep it steady but it is shaking and he has a weak smile. I thought he was hit by 88mm and survived, perhaps I was wrong. Maybe it was a dud that passed right through the tail? I cannot find this footage right now. I bet widewing or guppy or someone knows which picture/film im talking about.

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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #140 on: June 01, 2009, 02:35:30 PM »
cc... at least some B-17:s sometimes rtbd with incredibly heavy damage, but dont know if any of those were direct 88 hits either.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #141 on: June 01, 2009, 02:39:35 PM »
Ok, I surrender the 88m point, happily! As to 30mm, I think it is a problem with all ammunition, that sometimes a round will flash a hit sprite and yet do no damage. We only notice it with 30mm as we expect a one-hit-kill every time.  Is it not fair just to call this virtual 'luck'? I would say if every single 30mm hit meant a kill then it would be less realistic.

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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #142 on: June 01, 2009, 02:43:38 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on June 01, 2009, 02:39:35 PM
Ok, I surrender the 88m point, happily! As to 30mm, I think it is a problem with all ammunition, that sometimes a round will flash a hit sprite and yet do no damage. We only notice it with 30mm as we expect a one-hit-kill every time.  Is it not fair just to call this virtual 'luck'? I would say if every single 30mm hit meant a kill then it would be less realistic.

How is 'virtual luck' defined in programming code?  It's not generally intended to be a whine if a 30mm doesn't cause a kill but more so an inquiry as to why the rules are changing.  How can a 30mm to the wing root take the wing off 90% of the time but cause only a fuel leak the other 10% of the time? 
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #143 on: June 01, 2009, 02:48:10 PM »
who said anything about code? Its an unfortunate occurance that online games are not 100% reliable in showing both people the same thing. That's the virtual luck element. In the UK at ping 160 it effects us more than someone in Texas. I think that, anyhow.. again..i'm usual wrong.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #144 on: June 01, 2009, 03:05:39 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on June 01, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
who said anything about code? Its an unfortunate occurance that online games are not 100% reliable in showing both people the same thing. That's the virtual luck element. In the UK at ping 160 it effects us more than someone in Texas. I think that, anyhow.. again..i'm usual wrong.

This is what doesn't make sense.  How can 'ping' affect a registered tater hit?

I can see a tater hit doing no damage and not registering due to lag and calling it an online mystery but how can a tater register and only cause such minimal damage.  THAT is the real mystery.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #145 on: June 01, 2009, 03:07:59 PM »
Richard Candelaria's P-51 took a hit from a 262, only suffering a big hole in his wing?
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #146 on: June 01, 2009, 03:16:13 PM »
Quote from: TonyJoey on June 01, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Richard Candelaria's P-51 took a hit from a 262, only suffering a big hole in his wing?

I suppose it's possible that tater damage is programmed to deal fatal damage X % of the time and only a certain degree of damage a smaller % of the time to deal with RL luck.  It's all speculation though until HiTech comments on this.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #147 on: June 01, 2009, 05:16:36 PM »
Quote from: grizz441 on June 01, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
This is what doesn't make sense.  How can 'ping' affect a registered tater hit?

I can see a tater hit doing no damage and not registering due to lag and calling it an online mystery but how can a tater register and only cause such minimal damage.  THAT is the real mystery.

I dont know anything about it to comment beyond my speculation. I do however expect there are few/no dud tater hits in offline missions.
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #148 on: June 02, 2009, 03:35:15 PM »
was it or not, it had the color of a tator..........

http://www.mediafire.com/?zw2zcnklwmz
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Re: 30mm damage
« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2009, 03:54:27 PM »
Not a tater.
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