Disable F3 view

[moot]

The A20 had a bottom belly/rear gunner. It's not modeled because they didn't have the refs for the position. Given that, it certainly has enough coverage to deserve external views.
Going into gunner position is still seeing just 1 pair of eyeballs at a time. In the Il2, the pilot and gunner seeing simultaneously would mean more than half the full sphere of possible vision.. It's definitely arguable. I'd have it removed, myself, though.

[stroker71]

And fromt he pilot position you can see out the back on an IL2.  Taking away the F3 view on the A20 would make it easier prey that it already is.

[Larry]

Point being, both planes are flown the same as air vs GV attack aircraft in the same manner.  Last I knew, most IL-2 pilots dont even take up ord anymore since there is no reasosn to as the 37mm opens up any and all gv's like a sardine can.  The rear gunner on an IL-2 is no different than the rear gunner on a Bf110: worthless.  The rear gunner position gives the aircraft it's 360d view, the F3 mode shouldnt.

From this quote I can conclude you have no clue what you are talking about. If ord are up I will always take the bombs and rockets in the IL2. I know a few people that do this when defending a base. The four bombs with kill a panzer and the rockets will track any tank if you know how to use them. As for the rear gunner, again no clue what you're talking about, I have gotten countless kills with it when making people over shoot. If you would have searched the forum you'd know why bombers have external views.

[uptown]

Disable F3, I've seen enough dive bombing twits.

[stroker71]

Disable F3, I've seen enough dive bombing twits.

Easier way would be to make it so you can only release bombs from F6 view.  If the plane has that it was never intended to dive bomb.

[Helm]

I'd like to humbly request that F3 view be disabled for all aircraft in the main arenas.  The gunner positions are sufficient for representing the actual field of view available to an aircrew, so they are enough.

Thank you.

I Vote NO!


Helm ...out

[Unit791]

I'd like to humbly request that F3 view be disabled for all aircraft in the main arenas.  The gunner positions are sufficient for representing the actual field of view available to an aircrew, so they are enough.

Thank you.

I disagree, -100

[uptown]

Easier way would be to make it so you can only release bombs from F6 view.  If the plane has that it was never intended to dive bomb.

sounds good to me

[Karnak]

Easier way would be to make it so you can only release bombs from F6 view.  If the plane has that it was never intended to dive bomb.

Your premise is false.
Ju-88s have a level bombsite and were definitely designed to dive bomb as well.  TBM-3,B5N2 and Ki-67 all have bombsites and also dropped torpedoes without using it.

[Saxman]

Actually, I find the TBM's sight can be pretty handy for torpedo drops. Much more so than the gun sight, in fact.

[SmokinLoon]

From this quote I can conclude you have no clue what you are talking about. If ord are up I will always take the bombs and rockets in the IL2. I know a few people that do this when defending a base. The four bombs with kill a panzer and the rockets will track any tank if you know how to use them. As for the rear gunner, again no clue what you're talking about, I have gotten countless kills with it when making people over shoot. If you would have searched the forum you'd know why bombers have external views.

I stand by my statement that the majority of players do not take up ords in an IL-2 because there is no need to with the 37mm AT can openers, if you do then great, I dont blame you.  I know quite well how to use rockets and bombs and it isquite rare that a rocket from any aircraft, especially the ones from the IL-2 because they are weak when compared to the other rockets (save for the German PB1), do much of anything to a tank.  If you're that good with rockets maybe you should be a trainer?  Hold fast your tongue and try not to be so condescending. 

What does the rear gunner have to do with forcing over-shoots?  The pilot and the rear gunner offer the IL-2 its 360d view (almsot) from side to side and up, it shouldnt be able to look as freely as it does below the aircraft as it can w/ the F3 view.  The IL-2 is a flying tank, it is well armored and as such the downside to that should be the reduced capabilty to see all around like a fighter (or a bomber in F3 mode). 

Oh, and the IL-2 isnt a level bomber, it is an attack aircraft meant for low level strikes vs armor and static defensive positions.

I know what bombers have the F3 view and the IL-2 not only doesnt need it but it also doesnt deserve it, especially since it is flown like a zeke as you so graciously have pointed out.  Perhaps maybe you can tell us why bombers have the F3 capable views?  Lets see jsut how informed you really are.   

[SmokinLoon]

And fromt he pilot position you can see out the back on an IL2.  Taking away the F3 view on the A20 would make it easier prey that it already is.

The rear view from the pilots positoin in an IL-2 is hardly worth mentioning.  The IL-2 is heavily armored especially around the pilot and the downside to that is the much poorer view than one would have in a typical fighter and that is exactly the way it should be.  I believe it is very difficult for anyone to make the case to allow the IL-2 the ability to have the F3 view and not the 110G-2/C-4, and all other similar aircraft that have rear gunners and currently not the F3 view. 

The A20, if it did have a belly/low-rear turret then perhaps my thoughts on the A20 being a non-F3 plane would probably change. 

[VonMessa]

Like sands through the hourglass.................... ......

so are the days of our lives

[Larry]

I stand by my statement that the majority of players do not take up ords in an IL-2 because there is no need to with the 37mm AT can openers, if you do then great, I don't blame you.  I know quite well how to use rockets and bombs and it isquite rare that a rocket from any aircraft, especially the ones from the IL-2 because they are weak when compared to the other rockets (save for the German PB1), do much of anything to a tank.  If you're that good with rockets maybe you should be a trainer?  Hold fast your tongue and try not to be so condescending. 

What does the rear gunner have to do with forcing over-shoots?  The pilot and the rear gunner offer the IL-2 its 360d view (almsot) from side to side and up, it shouldnt be able to look as freely as it does below the aircraft as it can w/ the F3 view.  The IL-2 is a flying tank, it is well armored and as such the downside to that should be the reduced capabilty to see all around like a fighter (or a bomber in F3 mode). 

Oh, and the IL-2 isn't a level bomber, it is an attack aircraft meant for low level strikes vs armor and static defensive positions.

I know what bombers have the F3 view and the IL-2 not only doesn't need it but it also doesn't deserve it, especially since it is flown like a zeke as you so graciously have pointed out.  Perhaps maybe you can tell us why bombers have the F3 capable views?  Lets see jsut how informed you really are.   

 


 

You're not worth my time.

[shreck]

Lets not allow it to get away