Author Topic: Why the apathy about the 2nd most common aircraft, the Spitfire MkIX?  (Read 3959 times)

Offline Karnak

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This is partly in response to the 128 post thread "The Jugfire" in which the slight differences between our P-47D-11 and the real P-47D-11 have been argued.  The P-47 is practically never seen in the MA, yet people avidly argue and counter argue the slight inaccuracies, which seem to boil down to 1) it is 390lbs to light with HTC is going to fix and 2) it does not have the paddle bladed propellor that it had in reality when it went into combat.

On the other hand when Pongo, Nashwan, Funkedup or myself bring up the problems with the Spitfire MkIX, the second most common aircraft in the MA, there is pracitically no response.  There is no one blasting us or supporting us, we're just ignored.

 
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Originally posted by Vruth in the "The Jugfire" thread:
As for the Spit IX hybrid, don't fly with 50 cals. Personally, I'd rather see more work on more aircraft than changing existing ones that work fine (except for the poor-ole P-38).


Vruth,

I did't want to hijack the P-47D-11 thread, so I'm replying to you here.

I don't.  But most people do.

How would the Luftwaffe fans like it, or react, if HTC had given them a Bf109G-2, had the gun options of a Bf109G-10, used an American drop tank and simply called it a Bf109G?

They'd go bloody ballistic about anti-German conspiracies, is what they'd do.

The kind of response you gave has the same problem as the attitude of people who believe that all aircraft should be freely availabe and that it doesn't matter what you fly.  If the Spitfire is wrong, its wrong.  It doesn't matter if I am the one flying it or not.  If I like Hurrican MkIs and everybody else is flying 1944/45 stuff the game won't be very fun for me because I will simply be spending more time to get to the fight, and then being an easy mark for all but the incompetent.

The aircraft should all be modeled as closely as possible to their real counterparts.

Like the Bf109G, there was no generic Spitfire MkIX.  Why do we get specific Bf109 modeling and not specific Spitfire modeling?

Our Spitfire MkIX should have the option for the 50 cals removed, the option for the rockets removed, the 300 litre drop tank replaced with a British drop tank and then be relabled to "Spitfire F.Mk IX"

I am not calling for any new Spitfires to be added, just for the existing one to be fixed.

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2001, 07:11:00 PM »
Karnak, I think your whole idea of mucking with the Spitfire is a stupid as Funked.  Besides, Spitfires were rarely even seen in the skies during WWII and probably shouldn't be as well represented here as they are now.


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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »
Cheep shot at the German fans.
What is there to argue about. The 1944 spit should be alot better. Who could argue.
Its like expecting a big interesting thread about the earth being round.
They must know about the spit. Let them get some versions in to add a new one.
You sound like you want those 50s removed from the spit we have. They could probably do that real easy if you like.

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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2001, 07:40:00 PM »
I want my spit to have a Paddle Bladed Paddle or something ......   :)

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Why the apathy about the 2nd most common aircraft, the Spitfire MkIX?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2001, 07:48:00 PM »
So you want to get rid of those .50cals and use .303 instead ?

HTC PLEASE do it!  :D

Yep, G-2 with G-10 armament option could be nice   :cool:

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2001, 07:53:00 PM »
i think they should fix the f.ix and add a clipped wing lf.ix

clipped wing lf.ix would kick bellybutton but would still be un perked.

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2001, 07:55:00 PM »
I like the sound of .303s hitting my Hellcat.  I can actually hear the cursing of the spit pilot over the pings.

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2001, 08:13:00 PM »
Pongo,

I think it is good that the fans of the Luftwaffe aircraft are that vocal.  It gets things fixed.  RAF aircraft fans seem far and few between however.

I don't think we urgently need a new Spit, the one we have seems quite adequate based on its usage numbers.  I just want the one we have to be done correctly.

AKDejaVu,

The last F6F I ran into seemed less than resistant to my 20mm cannon.  :D

(Actually, the last time I had a Spitfire vs. F6F fight, I was in the F6F.  Spit lost his wings to my 50 cals).

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2001, 08:45:00 PM »
A clipped wing lfIX will get perked. Its 20mph (360-370mph on the deck) faster at AH alts than the SpitIX we have now and climbs near or over 5000fpm, (better than La7, G10 AND Tempest) and rolls faster than the FW190 at medium combat speeds.

This will get perked sooner or later considering how much the current spit IX gets used.


You may try to deny it spit fans but you cant have this plane with those performance figures YOU GUYS POST OVER AND OVER and not get it perked due to overuse.

With supposed performance like you guys say why did the British even bother with the Griffon spits???

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2001, 10:01:00 PM »
most people who fly spits dont care anything about accuracy they fly it cause it gets kills for them.

Its basically a fast food item. Taste is secondary to convenience...........

High reward with little involved.........

Why would they even fathom changing it......


However a well flown spit is hell for me..... amazing what some can do with it.


As for the vocal lw if you look at those who have been branded by the "luftwhiner" label most of them are killers in there aircraft already. When they suspect something is wrong ( for whatever reason) whether it makes it harder or easier to kill with they express it.

When the niki was short changed on ammo niki pilots weren't screaming about it. They got kills in it so what did it matter.

Anyway anything that is intended to replicate (as much as possible) history is great and I would agree with Karnak 100%........

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2001, 10:24:00 PM »
If you go offline and goto f8 view,turn the beast over so you can see it's belly you will see that the wingtips (at least on the IX) are a seperately modelled piece....i think we will see a clipped spit and i for one can't wait.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2001, 11:15:00 PM »
GRUNHERZ,

Yes, the Spitfire LF.Mk IX is 20mph faster on the deck than our Spitfire F.Mk IX.  How ever 320 + 20 does not equal 360 or 370.

I do agree with you that the Spitfire LF.Mk IX would end up as a perk though.  Probably about 8 points in cost.

As perk planes are not useful, IMHO, I am not asking for new Spitfires.  Just for the one we have to be fixed.
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Why the apathy about the 2nd most common aircraft, the Spitfire MkIX?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2001, 11:38:00 PM »
GRUNHERZ is obviously confusing a normal Spitfire LF.IX with the "Basta" modified version.

Normal Spitfire LF.IX does 340mph at SL, 370mph at 8k and 405mph at 22k(about equal to Fw 190A-5), initial climbrate is around 4600fpm.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2001, 11:46:00 PM »
clipped wing w9ould be faster tho and roll better


a clipped wing spitfire lf.ix is my favorite operational fighter and i want it

it would ruuuuuuuuuuulllllleeeeeee

it would eat n1k for LUNCH and spit it out

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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2001, 11:48:00 PM »
Im sure you guys posted a SL speed of 360-370mph for a lf Mk.IX.  

However if im mistaken and those are the Mk. "basta"  :) SL speed figures im sorry.