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Offline Motherland

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2009, 06:52:02 PM »
Me410A-1/U1...

"At the beginning of the war our tanks could only open fire from a distance of 800 yards if they wanted to be sure of the results, while our latest types were in a position to combat enemy tanks from a distance of 3000 yards. The Jagdwaffe alone had not developed along these lines. They still had to close in to 400 yards before they could use their weapons effectively.
From this consideration arose the order for fighters and destroyers to use a large-caliber long-distance cannon against  the American bomber formations. The result was as follows: an Me-410 destroyer, equipped with [the] armored-car cannon KWK 5, weighing 2000 pounds (!), was reconstructed as an automatic weapon with a magazine holding about 15 shells, [with] a rate of fire [of] about one shot per second. It was possible to fly with this monster sticking 3 yards out in front; firing was possible, too, although the cannon jammed hopelessly after about five shots. One could even hit something, not at 1000 or 3000 yards' distance, but at the most from 400 yards! Beyond that all chances of a hit were spoiled by having to fly the aircraft. Nothing was gained, therefore, and firing was reduced to single shots. We used to say ironically that we only had to shatter the morale of the bomber crew by a few artillery shots, then we could ram the Mustangs and Thunderbolts with our gun barrel.

From The First and the Last by Adolf Galland.

Sounds like a superb weapon, eh? :lol

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2009, 07:07:17 PM »
Messerschmitt Me 210/410 in action has the 50mm load out at 21 rounds.  it is a bit vague about what other guns were retained in this configuration, saying initially all other guns being removed then continuing on with;
"The later production variant retained its normal forward firing armament along with the installation of the heavy BK 5 cannon"

So, 1 50mm cannon, 2 20mm MG151 cannon, and 2 7.9mm MG17 machine guns.


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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2009, 10:41:24 PM »
For all the reasons to get the 410, the 50mm isn't tops on my list!

This plane would actually pull me out of the C205 most of the time!

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2009, 03:49:25 AM »
I'm pretty sure I've seen an era diagram showing the 50mm loaded with at least a pair of small caliber MGs. I sure hope they give us a third optional trigger, if 50+20+7.9 is one of the loadouts.  Make it so only a player who maps the third trigger would see any change in the game..
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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2009, 05:50:36 AM »
Guys the 210 is out of the question. that thing had so many problems. the brother of this plane is of couse the 410 which is  :aok

Obviously not the Hungarian 210-C. But it may be closer to the 410 than to the original 210.

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2009, 06:24:01 AM »
Priority has to be for the 410.
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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2009, 01:28:52 PM »
Im all for a 410
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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2009, 05:30:38 PM »
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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2009, 06:20:38 PM »
I think the i requested the 210 before,


didn't it have a 37mm cannon later considered obsolete for destroying tanks so they upgraded it with a 75mm cannon that worked sorta like a huge revolver?

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2009, 06:25:17 PM »
I think the i requested the 210 before,


didn't it have a 37mm cannon later considered obsolete for destroying tanks so they upgraded it with a 75mm cannon that worked sorta like a huge revolver?

No and not really.

Never had a 37mm.  It could be equipped with the BK5, 50mm cannon that had a 21 round cylindrical magazine.

There were actually quite a few weapons combinations available.  Mixes of 30mm, 20mm, 15mm, and 7.6mm's


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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 07:10:36 PM »
I think the i requested the 210 before,


didn't it have a 37mm cannon later considered obsolete for destroying tanks so they upgraded it with a 75mm cannon that worked sorta like a huge revolver?
You're thinking of the Hs129.

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2009, 08:45:13 AM »
"Think of Tetris as a metaphor for life:  You spend all your time trying to find a place for your long thin piece, then when you finally do, everything you've built disappears"

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2009, 03:01:56 PM »
No and not really.

Never had a 37mm.  It could be equipped with the BK5, 50mm cannon that had a 21 round cylindrical magazine.

There were actually quite a few weapons combinations available.  Mixes of 30mm, 20mm, 15mm, and 7.6mm's


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 While the BK5 might be interesting and fun,my main interest in the A/C is the Mk103 30mm.

 It was capable of defeating armour,used tungsten core ammo and has M/V in excess of the hispano.
Then add in the explosive power of the Mk108 and you have 1 devastating weapon... :devil

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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2009, 03:27:57 PM »
MV in excess of 50cal, even.
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Re: Me 210/410
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2009, 03:28:53 PM »

 While the BK5 might be interesting and fun,my main interest in the A/C is the Mk103 30mm.

 It was capable of defeating armour,used tungsten core ammo and has M/V in excess of the hispano.
Then add in the explosive power of the Mk108 and you have 1 devastating weapon... :devil
Ditto, Mk103 would the weapon of choice for the 410. :devil
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