Can we fix the 190A5?

[Boozeman]

Somehow I have a feeling that the Tempest is making substantially more then 2200 HP quoted here.   

[Saurdaukar]

Somehow I have a feeling that the Tempest is making substantially more then 2200 HP quoted here.   

Perhaps its a Tempest/F-15 hybrid.

[BnZs]

Since the A-5 is too slow on the deck and its acceleration seems a bit off, I speculate that the drag being a little too high might be a reasonable explanation.

[MjTalon]

Thanks Mazz. 

Didn't want to make this myself, fear of "criticism" 

Slower S/L A5 which performs like a A-3 in the engine department and a overweight A8. How long have we been requesting these to be fixed? Too long i remember. 

[Saurdaukar]

Thanks Mazz. 

Didn't want to make this myself, fear of "criticism" 

Slower S/L A5 which performs like a A-3 in the engine department and a overweight A8. How long have we been requesting these to be fixed? Too long i remember. 

Long enough.

For what its worth... I would also LOVE to see a 190A9.  I would fly the hell out of that thing.

Like many other virtual, would-be, super, Sierra Hotel fighter pilots, I have little love for the long nosed, radiator type FW's.

Think Ill make a new thread for that come to think of it...

[Noir]

+1. Mind that the ENY of the A5 is 30 only.

[Lusche]

+1. Mind that the ENY of the A5 is 30 only.

25. A8 is 31

[Saurdaukar]

So reduce the ENY. 

The important thing here is that ENY is reflective of ACTUAL performance.  If performance is currently less than actual, then increase the ENY by the appropriate amount once its fixed.

ENY, in and of itself, is not an argument against correcting the low altitude speed deficiency modeled in the game.

(If I understand you properly, that is.  If not, I havent had any coffee this morning so... sorry) 

[Slade]

Now that I understand, I agree.  Please fix the A-5.

+1

[mechanic]

The weight increase with the 4 guns vs. the 2 guns is only about 2%, even with 25% fuel.

I haven't scientifically tested its effect on roll rate, but I don't *feel* like there is much difference. Retains adequate roll rate either way, to say the least.

Yes indeed sir, yet roll rate is not even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how weight restricts ACMs. We have dueled before and are well matched for fun even fights. I promise you though, if one of us flies the two gun 190A5 and the other the four gun, the two gun will dominate every fight. The difference in roll rate may be minimal but the difference in lift, thrust(only slight, i admit) and wingtip stability under high G loading at low speeds is substantial.

[BnZs]

Yes indeed sir, yet roll rate is not even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how weight restricts ACMs. We have dueled before and are well matched for fun even fights. I promise you though, if one of us flies the two gun 190A5 and the other the four gun, the two gun will dominate every fight. The difference in roll rate may be minimal but the difference in lift, thrust(only slight, i admit) and wingtip stability under high G loading at low speeds is substantial.

Well first off, I think you'll win every fight that you actually try to win, either way.

Second, I can see how in a duel, where there is careful matching for plane type, fuel load, and E state at the outset, each man flying his plane to the utmost, even such a minor difference could be telling. However, I think for MA purposes, against random multiple plane types in a multi-bandit environment, the increase in killing power is worth the slight increase in weight. Sort of a rapier vs. poll ax dilemma.

[mechanic]

 I agree with that sentiment completely in regard to most planes for the MA. P47 for instance, I will almost always be taking eight guns and full load with 100% fuel to give me some times to use all that ammo. Only a mad man would take a c202 with the lighter weapons loadout....well, only a mad man flies that anyhow.
 With the 190A5 in particular, but also with regard to wing pods on the 109s, I just cannot bring myself to put the extra weight on there and it does make 'a difference' in the same way having a full car load of people can:- It's subtle, only noticeable/dangerous when pushing the edge you are used to with an empty car.

 Also, twin 20mm is enough to get more kills than my general life expectancy vs spitfires and la7s and gives me much more chance in those match ups when fighting from a disadvantage. Seeing as i generaly lack the patience to ensure I maintain the advantage this is a wiser option for me personaly.

 As to my original question, the figures that are being thrown around here show scant evidence of what loadout, ammo weight, fuel weight, pilot weight, air pressure, weather, wind..... i could go on. I'm not doubting any claims just asking for a little more than some ballpark flight test figures in mile per hour.
 

[Citabria]

no one here was around for the initial release of the 190a5? 

let us just say that when it went vertical it was like getting on a saturn V rocket launch to the moon.