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[FYB]

It came very late and really didn't see much action, so it wouldn'tmeet the criteria of HT

It saw little, but big action.

-FYB

[Angus]

From the crossing of the Rhine until Berlin. Comets were in some (not big) numbers in the fights through Germany.

[BigPlay]

The comet was in action in Germany in 1945 and did see combat.
The Cromwell (the 40 mph one) did see more combat. It's flaw (throwing of the tracks at high speed, which is why the later comet was restricted to 32 mph)) would not be modelled in AH....
Both valid.

only a handful of comets saw action. There are too many other additions that are more valid then the comet.

[Angus]

For AH? For being used I mean.
Probably the JS, and the Panther would be Uber, since it's main flaw would not be modelled. Same goes with the Cromwell, It's faster than the T-34 with a 75mm gun, and same weight.
Apart from those, which?

[Charge]

"Panther would be Uber, since it's main flaw would not be modelled"

You got my attention -again. What is that flaw?

-C+

[Angus]

Same "area" as the Cromwell. Driving.

[BigPlay]

"Panther would be Uber, since it's main flaw would not be modelled"

You got my attention -again. What is that flaw?

-C+

What do you consider the Panther's main flaw?

[Angus]

It had severe maintenance and track problems. Basically an insanely cool tank, but the baby diseases were not ironed out, so in combat it had serious problems with reliability.
Just like the Cromwell, which had so much power and yet was as heavy as a T-34. It would be known to throw the tracks off, which is why the Comet was restricted to "only" 32 mph.
These are issues that would not appear in AH.

[BigPlay]

It had severe maintenance and track problems. Basically an insanely cool tank, but the baby diseases were not ironed out, so in combat it had serious problems with reliability.
Just like the Cromwell, which had so much power and yet was as heavy as a T-34. It would be known to throw the tracks off, which is why the Comet was restricted to "only" 32 mph.
These are issues that would not appear in AH.

Well, the only real problems that I have read about was transmission related. From my understanding Panther drivers were instructed on driving techniques to avoid transmission breakdowns. I know of now other maintenance issues regarding the Panther. The Panther was a dream to repair, engines could be removed and replace in just hours many other maintenance procedures. Most if not all of the Panthers teething problems were worked out by the G model, can you be more specific on problems.

[dirt911]

ty stodd anyways well even though a tank didnt see a lot of action doesnt mean it didnt when the russian army deployed the tank the tiger 2 and is2 were pretty well on even hands armour wise yet to any other tank against an is2 would be totally helples as one option would be presented





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[Angus]

Ok, Bigplay, - specific problems. From Wiki for a start.
- The inner road wheels were a pain to replace if needed.
Then this:
"The weakest parts in the tank were, throughout its career, the final drive units. The main reason was that the units could not be manufactured using hollow spur gears, due to the shortage of suitable gear-cutting machinery in Germany during the war. The final drives were in fact so weak that their fatigue life was sometimes as low as 150 km."
In Combat, notably the big one at Kursk:
"The Panther first saw action at Kursk on 5 July 1943. Early tanks were plagued with mechanical problems: the track and suspension often broke, and the engine was dangerously prone to overheating and bursting into flames. At Kursk, more Panthers were disabled by their own failings than by enemy action"

Those issues were tackled with and problems ironed out as well as could be done. But in AH, this would not be featured any more than the track problems on the Cromwell, so in AH, a 1943 Panther would be an evil tank with only one weakness, and the Cromwell an evil cruiser tank with it's 40 mph....

[Charge]

"Panther would be Uber, since it's main flaw would not be modelled"

"so in AH, a 1943 Panther would be an evil tank with only one weakness"

What is that weakness that would remain in game when you count out the reliability problems which would not/cannot be modeled?

It seems that the limitation of Cromwell's speed was not only reliability but more the limitations of Christie suspension, which, of course, was quite advanced for its time but even it could not cope with weight of a heavier tank. I'm sure that on the road it could have maintained 40mph but cross-country was a different matter due to much increased stresses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_suspension

-C+

[Die Hard]

See Rule #4

[Angus]

I touched a nerve?
Why do you not correct Wiki by the way?
Did you read the quotations?
What the problem was : "The main reason was that the units could not be manufactured using hollow spur gears, due to the shortage of suitable gear-cutting machinery in Germany during the war"
It's not the skill, it's not the design, it's the war. It's tool shortage.
The suspension also was a teaser in the beginning. It's called a teething problem, and is nothing that "ever so perfection-minded Germans" are immune to. The goal was speed and a smooth ride, and the Panther surely lived up to it's name in that department.
Doctrine? Field workshop vs crew repair. Make your choice, it's even debated today. The Leopard is rather like the Panther, and it's about as fine as it gets.  Doesn't change the fact that the Panther had a bumpy beginning due to teething problems, which were cured as well as possible depending on the circumstances.
As for the weak point (Charge) its just side armour basically.
And the 109? AFAIK 5% lost in landing accidents, which is somewhat normal for the types and time. Never heard a claim with your figure DieHard. For a teaser though, Werner Mölders once quoted that the British fighters (Spitfire and Hurricane) were ridiculously easy to land. That is something for another thread.
Back to AH and tank wishes. IMHO the normal Shermy will be requested until it's there, nd it's a very little job, so why not. Maybe the freaky variants could then be added later.
The Panther is a must. Would be perked. Would shine in AH.
The JS, oh man, mean.
The Cromwell. Since the Comet was downgeared to fix the track problems, which would not be modelled anyway, the Cromwell would then have a place in AH. Later models had the same gun as the Comet anyway. Slightly less armoured than a Comet, with almost the firepower of a Firefly and 40 mph, what do you think?

[Die Hard]

See Rule #4