Author Topic: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?  (Read 1319 times)

Offline Swatch

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 203
      • http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/rtcircus
A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« on: April 17, 2009, 04:34:53 PM »
Let me begin by saying I'm not pushing this idea, nor am I thinking it would be a good idea or bad idea..... its just something that came to mind.

The populations in the mid-war and early-war arena's are anemic at best.  What is everybody's thoughts on changing the format a bit.  Each month, we restart a Tour of Duty.  What if, in order to encourage a varied use of planes the course of a month was planned similar to the course of a war?

We have four weeks in a month...

Week 1:  Early War plane set
Week 2:  Mid-War plane set
Weeks 3 and 4:  Late War plane set

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Additionally, each arena could have a single persistent map throughout that month (War-winning resets not included, but they're somewhat rare anymore).  Also, you'll note I only included 3 arenas.... because lets face it, there's never enough people to warrant 4 arenas.

Arena 1:  Larger map, follows above planeset rules
Arena 2:  Smaller map, follows above planeset rules
Arena 3:  Smaller map, does early-war plane set week 1 and 2, mid-war on weeks 3 and 4

(alternatively, the larger map could do mid-war 2 weeks and late-war 2 weeks)

Anyway, that's just a solution I came up with to the hanger queens, and also to encourage a more varied experience.  Unless somebody is really that anal about flying their late-war planes, something tells me they'd still log in and fly during the first two weeks of the month.  And if they want to rank highly for that month, then they'll fly early and mid-war.

Flame away at my idea, but keep in mind, it's only meant as a thought experiment.  I'm not even sure if its possible with the way they have arena's set up.  I just know if I went to all the trouble to develop a game with this varied a plane-set, I would enjoy seeing it get some use, as well as this might encourage HTC to add some of the early/mid war planes that people always ask for on here since they'll get used at least part of a month.
OFFICIALLY AN AEROSPACE ENGINEER AS OF 1PM JUNE 13th!  Goodbye UC, you've been hell.

Proud member of the 364th CHawks, 383rd BG, formerly the RTC.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 04:57:29 PM »
Rolling plane sets suck.  Any measure that forces a player to fly something they don't wish to fly is doomed to failure.

Here's another small clue.  Warbirds had a rolling plane set, the developer of AH also developed WB.  Yet, you won't find a rolling plane set in AH, care to wonder why?


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline daddog

  • Aces High CM Staff (Retired)
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15082
      • http://www.332nd.org
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 05:49:26 PM »
I enjoyed the rolling plane set back in WB.

Quote
Any measure that forces a player to fly something they don't wish to fly is doomed to failure.

I don't agree with that statement. In FSO every week squads are assigned planes they don't wish to fly, yet it has over 500 active players.
Noses in the wind since 1997
332nd Flying Mongrels
daddog
Knowing for Sure

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 07:24:12 PM »

I don't agree with that statement. In FSO every week squads are assigned planes they don't wish to fly, yet it has over 500 active players.

Bad example since FSO is an optional thing and not forced on anyone that doesn't want to participate in the FSO.  The same can't be said in an MA enviroment where a rolling plane set will force players to fly planes they do not wish to fly.  How long do you think a player will stick around if they can't fly the planes they want to?


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline LLogann

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4947
      • Candidz.com
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 11:44:33 PM »
I have to agree with ack-ack.......(whoa) FSO, squad based... Sure it's once in a while you get a good ride, but it's your whole squad doing it together... Which is a fundamental aspect of the growth and development of this game!!!
...optional thing and not forced on anyone...
ack-ack
See Rule #4
Now I only pay because of my friends.

Offline Swatch

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 203
      • http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/rtcircus
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2009, 01:59:13 AM »
Ok, then my questions to you Ack-Ack is the following...


Why do people NOT want to fly early/mid war plane sets?
My Answer:  Because they are outclassed by late war fighters and can't be competitive.  (not an issue when everyone is in same planeset)

What do those people do when ENY goes over 8.0 (or even over 10.0 gasp) and they can't fly the planes they want?
My Answer:  They fly a different plane or they log off.  If they log off, those are the same people that would either start flying when they could fly their planes, or even then, they might learn a new plane.

Love to know what your answers to those questions are.
OFFICIALLY AN AEROSPACE ENGINEER AS OF 1PM JUNE 13th!  Goodbye UC, you've been hell.

Proud member of the 364th CHawks, 383rd BG, formerly the RTC.

Offline 1pLUs44

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3332
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 02:11:18 AM »
A lot of people who are new need (well, not necessarily, but they really like to) fly the easier planes. In EW or MW planesets, they would hate it for the most part.
No one knows what the future may bring.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2009, 04:26:55 AM »
Ok, then my questions to you Ack-Ack is the following...


Why do people NOT want to fly early/mid war plane sets?
My Answer:  Because they are outclassed by late war fighters and can't be competitive.  (not an issue when everyone is in same planeset)

It's the Late War Arena, of course the majority will be in late war rides and early and mid war planes will not be as competitive.  If you want to fly an early or mid-war plane, there are two arenas that allow that and you'll be free of the 'scurge of the late war plane'.  No one is stopping you from flying those types of planes.  When I flew, I flew a mid-war plane and was very successful in it in the Late War arena and I would hardly consider the plane not being competitive against any late war ride.  But then, pilot skill goes a long way in that regard so YMMV.

Quote
What do those people do when ENY goes over 8.0 (or even over 10.0 gasp) and they can't fly the planes they want?
My Answer:  They fly a different plane or they log off.  If they log off, those are the same people that would either start flying when they could fly their planes, or even then, they might learn a new plane.

Love to know what your answers to those questions are.

So basically if my ride of choice was a late war plane and under your plan that plane would only be avaible in the 3rd to 4th week of the tour, that means I would have to wait that long to play.  Why would I want to keep my account if I could only play 2 weeks out of the tour?  Why should I be forced to fly a plane that I have no interest in flying?  You remove the option of being able to choose from the player and that player will soon walk and take his business elsewhere.

Now answer my question.  If the developer of Warbirds had a rolling plane set in that game, why didn't he add the same system in this game?  If it was such a win-win thing, you would have thought it would have been a core feature in this game but it's not.  Curious, isn't it? 


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline 1pLUs44

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3332
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2009, 06:11:20 AM »
So basically if my ride of choice was a late war plane and under your plan that plane would only be avaible in the 3rd to 4th week of the tour, that means I would have to wait that long to play.  Why would I want to keep my account if I could only play 2 weeks out of the tour?  Why should I be forced to fly a plane that I have no interest in flying?  You remove the option of being able to choose from the player and that player will soon walk and take his business elsewhere.

Now answer my question.  If the developer of Warbirds had a rolling plane set in that game, why didn't he add the same system in this game?  If it was such a win-win thing, you would have thought it would have been a core feature in this game but it's not.  Curious, isn't it? 


ack-ack

I don't think that the rolling planeset is in WB anymore.
No one knows what the future may bring.

Offline cobia38

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1258
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2009, 07:03:46 AM »


 if it aint broke dont fix it



.


  Harvesting taters,one  K4 at a time

Offline hitech

  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 12398
      • http://www.hitechcreations.com
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2009, 07:04:22 AM »
Quote
I don't think that the rolling planeset is in WB anymore.

It is very difficult to have a rolling plane set, when you do not have any players to roll them with.  :devil

Hitech

Offline Ghosth

  • AH Training Corps (retired)
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8497
      • http://332nd.org
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2009, 07:45:45 AM »
RPS suck, they are whine generators. If I want to fly a mid war plane, I can log into midwar, and go find a fight.
I don't have to wait till next week, or 3 weeks. Not to mention that they all devolve into purse fights over what plane was released when, saw active service by what group, etc. 

Lots of things that would be fun to try as far as Arena setup goes. But a RPS is not one of them.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 07:48:02 AM by Ghosth »

Offline morfiend

  • AH Training Corps
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10447
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2009, 06:09:13 PM »
It is very difficult to have a rolling plane set, when you do not have any players to roll them with.  :devil

Hitech




 I like rolling while checking out the plane set!! :devil

Offline hyster

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 227
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2009, 05:13:22 AM »
Why do people NOT want to fly early/mid war plane sets?

my experience of this is that if u fly an older plane (p-40 / spit 1) then u become a magnet for every enemy fighter around you.

2 examples of this.
yesterday I'm flying a mossie with 3 friendly fighters at least 5k above me. enemy comes in straight through the above fighters and targets me for an easier kill
flying a spit1 a few months back i get ganged by 6 enemy fighters.

why would anyone fly early/mid way fighters when they no there going to get ganged all the time????

Offline slimmer

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 272
Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 05:53:55 AM »
 :noid no
Member: Hot Soup Mafia -chokin chickin noodle
 Army of Muppets