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Offline AWwrgwy

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 06:28:57 AM »


why would anyone fly early/mid way fighters when they no there going to get ganged all the time????

Just because you're "going to get ganged" doesn't mean you're going to die.

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 08:43:40 AM »
I'd love to fly early planes against other early planes as well, but there are not enough player there. First and most I want to find enemies, thus I am "forced" to fly at late war arenas. Those two unpopulated arenas (EW MW) are not an option to me.

With a rolling plane set or a rolling perk set (=one can fly his favorite late war monster all the time, but sometime pays more perks), I would at least once in a while have a chance to fight against several EW/MW enemies.


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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 11:33:34 AM »
I wouldn't call MW anemic. It's the smallness and closeness of the individuals that appeals to those in it. Leave it alone
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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 12:08:23 PM »
It is very difficult to have a rolling plane set, when you do not have any players to roll them with.  :devil

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2009, 04:46:52 PM »
I'd love to fly early planes against other early planes as well, but there are not enough player there. First and most I want to find enemies, thus I am "forced" to fly at late war arenas. Those two unpopulated arenas (EW MW) are not an option to me.

With a rolling plane set or a rolling perk set (=one can fly his favorite late war monster all the time, but sometime pays more perks), I would at least once in a while have a chance to fight against several EW/MW enemies.


The problem with the lack of numbers in the EW arena and to a certain extent in the MW arena is it is mostly caused by the lack of planes in the particular time line era.  For example, the EW arena.  Most of those planes are anything but early war and the EW plane set has some very large holes in it.  Add more EW planes to the plane set and you'll see the EW arena population increase.  Same with the MW arena.

Forcing players into something by removing their options is not a way to go, giving players more options (in this case, more EW/MW planes) is the way to go. 


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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2009, 12:19:39 AM »
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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2009, 07:13:58 AM »
Snippage  .............."Forcing players into something by removing their options is not a way to go, giving players more options (in this case, more EW/MW planes) is the way to go. "..................


Now THAT I agree with. Amen brother Ack-Ack.


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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 05:44:48 AM »
It is very difficult to have a rolling plane set, when you do not have any players to roll them with.  :devil

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seriously, the trouble with a rolling plane set is for it to be worthwhile it would have to be an ava type thing where the advantage swings or you would see the same planes all the time. :uhoh
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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 01:36:11 PM »
EWA + MWA = E&MWA ... more planes available, more players.... (yup, I know I am a broken record)  :t


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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 01:42:53 PM »
EWA + MWA = E&MWA ... more planes available, more players.... (yup, I know I am a broken record)  :t

I would not call it a broken record Sir.  It is a good idea.  I do not frequent either arena, but still keep up on the discussions concerning both.

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2009, 02:50:45 PM »
I don't think it's a good idea to merge the EW and MW together.  It would be just like the LW arena with everyone gravitating towards the mid war rides.  The best solution would be to add new early war and mid war planes.  Fill up the glaring gaps in the early war plane set.  It's a virtual crime that the planes from 1939-1940 aren't better represented in the game and to a certain extent the mid war era as well.  It's a shame we don't have the planes that took part in the Battle for Poland, France and the Low Countries as well as the planes that fought in China and the East Indies.


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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2009, 02:55:24 PM »
MW is fine, there's enough planes to please most and the lack of nikki's, spit16's and La7's is refreshing. The problem with EW is that all the goons that play there regularly all end up flying the Hurricanes and always seek the HO first and formost, so decent dogfights are few .

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2009, 04:36:15 PM »
Warbirds downward spiral had nothing to do with the use of a rolling plane set and everything to do with lack of game development, poor customer service and weak management.

We all know the history, Warbirds and AH were created by the same people. But the games eventually went in two different directions. Warbirds chose to focus on the historical aspect while AH became geared towards the “alternate universe” fly your favorite plane experience.

Beyond that, an RPS works best when the plane set is complete. An RPS will work in a fantasy main environment, but is better suited to historical terrains with an Axis / Allied split. In this type of set up the player can experience the technological swings as one side introduces a new aircraft that tilts the balance while the other side has to get by until they counter with their next generation ride.

An alternative to the RPS is the “generations” approach. Instead of releasing aircraft by service date (RPS), mini plane sets are released by generational match ups. For example; the Spit V and the 109F-4 are released together, the 190 and the Spit 9 and so on. This adds some balance while keeping the time line historical.

What we have now is three different main arenas that offer essentially the same style of game play with a slightly different cast of characters. I don’t see anyone saying the main arenas should be closed. Some players are just asking for another gaming experience to compliment what we have now and a greater emphasis placed on filling out the early to midwar plane set.

The fact that HTC committed the resources it did to Combat Tour indicates an awareness and willingness to provide an experience emphasizing historical WWII air combat. With Combat Tour shelved indefinitely, the creation of an arena like we’re talking about to fill this niche could be done relatively easily and inexpensively with what we already have.

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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2009, 04:39:54 PM »
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Re: A 'Tour of Duty', why not an all-out war?
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2009, 05:53:19 PM »
MW is fine, there's enough planes to please most and the lack of nikki's, spit16's and La7's is refreshing. The problem with EW is that all the goons that play there regularly all end up flying the Hurricanes and always seek the HO first and formost, so decent dogfights are few .

While the planeset in MW is a little more fleshed out than the EW set, it still has some big holes in it and plugging those holes up will go a long way in not only improving the MW arena but also increase its popularity

The current problem in the EW is just a symptom and not the main cause of the lack of popularity.  The reason why EW is a virtual ghost town is because of what has been said many times in the past.  It's the lack of planes.  Of those planes currently in the EW set, only a few were actually early war planes.  Most fall in the early part of the Mid-War plane set.  Add planes to both plane sets and you'll see more people start flying in both arenas.  


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